Beakie head fluff

[Cirative]

So, what's the story behind the beakie helmet design? What inspired it, and was it pre-heresy or post-heresy?

[Lord Commander Erus]

There isn't any that I have found.. Yet...

[Templar Mikeel]

I can't remember which MK it is, but IIRC it was developed during or right after the Horus Heresy. Try asking D_C.

[SteveBerenyi]

it is MK VI (6) and is pre to during heresy.

no idea on the reasoning, but the orks call SMs Beakies because of it.

[Lord Commander Erus]

The only bit of info I can dredge up is from my memory..

It has something to do with improved inter-squad/suit vox equipment as well as increased re-breathers and such in the suits. The vox EQ in MK VII is held in the two rather large tube/studs on either side of the grill of the MK VII helmet, and the grill itself is both an external vox speaker and re-breather unit, hence the less pronounced 'beak'

The MK IV is and example of this, and there is indeed a variant between the VI and VII that looks like a mish-mash of MK VII, MK VI, and MK IV. It is seen on a few very rare and old GW metal SM.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

The only bit of info I can dredge up is from my memory..

It has something to do with improved inter-squad/suit vox equipment as well as increased re-breathers and such in the suits. The vox EQ in MK VII is held in the two rather large tube/studs on either side of the grill of the MK VII helmet, and the grill itself is both an external vox speaker and re-breather unit, hence the less pronounced 'beak'

The MK IV is and example of this, and there is indeed a variant between the VI and VII that looks like a mish-mash of MK VII, MK VI, and MK IV. It is seen on a few very rare and old GW metal SM.

Any chance for a pic of that variant? Also, would the Mk6 be fluffy on Raptors, I sure hope so!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

well i know one of the reasons beakie (MKVI) gave way to aquila (MK VII) is because it was hurriedly consturcted towards the end of the heresy. aquila then gave way to the high gorget (collar) of the MK VIII errant armour

heres a link to more detail regarding armour variants: here

when i read the title of the thread i wasnt sure what to expect... beakie head fluff. sounds like chef brian to me.

[Dragoon King]

Wow, informative link DC. Thanks!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

@ Dragoon King: raptors, being successors of the raven guard, still make heavy use of beakie helmets

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by DeAd_cOmMaNdO

@ Dragoon King: raptors, being successors of the raven guard, still make heavy use of beakie helmets

Thanks for the tip. I think they look good on what I've got built, just need a few more. I was unaware orks called SM "Beakie Boyz". Learn something every day!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

to orks:

marines = beakies
tyrnaids = bugeyes
eldar = panzees (hehe)
squats = stunties (what are squats? never head of them...)

[Cirative]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

I was unaware orks called SM "Beakie Boyz".

Same here.

Originally Posted by DeAd_cOmMaNdO

squats = stunties (what are squats? never head of them...)

Squat (Warhammer 40,000) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Ides]

squats are basically space dwarves, like the hrud are pretty much space skaven...

[SteveBerenyi]

with both. Squats were insanely powerful Bike Riding Dwarfs from space.

in reality they were humans who moved closer to the galaxy core and the increased gravity made them shorter but much stronger than normal humans.

[Ides]

though why this meant that they all had beards...

[Cirative]

Originally Posted by Ides

though why this meant that they all had beards...

Good point.

They also had weapons/vehicles which were basically variants of mining/construction tools if I remember correctly, and an incredibly stupid (and game-degrading) name: Squats. I mean come on!!!

Thankfully they were removed. Forever.

[Templar Mikeel]

An excerpt from the Fluff Bible:

MARK 6
At the same time as production of Mark 4 armor ceased, work began on a long term development program to replace the Mark 4 with a more durable type. The Mark 5, or Corvus Suit, was only ever perceived as a stopgap design. The weapon development workshops on Mars began to experiment with a mixture of new and old technology, making the newer materials more durable where possible. A notable feature of the resulting armor types (Marks 6 and 7) is the provision of dual technology circuits. These permit relatively rare or sophisticated functions to be temporarily replaced or repaired using common or very simple technology. Although development was incomplete the new armor was rushed into production while the forces of Horus advanced throughout the Terran solar system. Hastily equipped Space Marines wore the new style Mark 6 armor into battle while the development laboratories were disassembled and prepared for transfer to Earth. During the Martian campaign forces of Horus eventually overran the production facilities for Space Marine armor and soon began to manufacture new suits for their own use. Consignments were distributed to other forces elsewhere in the galaxy so that this new type of armor became quite widespread. Distinguishing features of the Mark 6 armor are its relatively clean appearance due to rehousing the main power cables under the armor plates. The exterior chest and arm cables are duplicated under the chest plate and automatically isolated from the main system if damaged - thus providing a failsafe and overcoming the vulnerability of the Mark 5. The helmet is an improved version of the Mark 4 rather than a new type, although a new type was under development and was to be used on the Mark 7. The left shoulder armor retains the same construction method as the earlier Mark 5 and for the same reasons. Where supplies of material were short it is the right side of the warrior which needs to be better protected while he fires his weapon, thus the left side could be most easily replaced by slightly less effective plates. The need to economize in this way was very real at the time. Later the studded pad became associated with the Terran campaign and the final heroism of the Space Marines so that it became a traditional emblem of those days.

[Lord Commander Erus]

I need a copy of that fluff bible again.

[r4wr89]

Originally Posted by Cirative

Good point.

They also had weapons/vehicles which were basically variants of mining/construction tools if I remember correctly, and an incredibly stupid (and game-degrading) name: Squats. I mean come on!!!

Thankfully they were removed. Forever.

aww what ? haha when i see squats i give a little bow of respect to the modeller. it's hard to find those models now, and they are one of the greatest marking of the "old-era" of 40k :] lol. and besides, what's cooler than dwarves and their beards ? dwarves and beards in space !

anyhow. this might be a slightly off topic thing, but the thread is titled beakie fluff, so i might as well throw it out there, i believe the raven guard are well known for their corvus [is that what they're called in non-beaky terms ?] helmets being passed down between marines, particularly, i would guess, those in the assault squads/shrike's wing..

[Lord Commander Erus]

It would make sense, really. Given the embellishments they put on 'em

[Petey1016]

Squat Army!!! How good would that be.

The beakie helmets are soo cool i prefer the helmets sometimes.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

An excerpt from the Fluff Bible:

Neat, thanks for the info. Where the heck is the thanks button? I was gonna give you and DC both thanks for the info, but it seems the button has disappeared!

[Templar Mikeel]

No problem. Dan sent the Fluff Bible to me, and he found it somewhere on the internet. I'll have to upload mine I guess?

[Lord Commander Erus]

I sent Dan his, but when I reformatted the Hard Drive.. I forgot to transfer it...