forge world ethics - 40K Terra

Dan296 · 12-07-2006

i got to thinking about this when i witnessed 2 people argueing about if one guy could use his flyers

what is the reasonable thign to do when someone asks if they can use it? i usually say no if its a superheavy whatever or flyer, but something like a dreadnaught with a FW inferno cannon, thats fine. as long as i can deal with whatever youre throwin at me, its cool. but if someone wants to use a flyer, i dont have any antiaircraft type things, and they dont cost that much so its not a big hunk of points taken away. likewise with superheavies. in no army, even my very shooty SM army, i dont have enough anti tank to take down a baneblade and its leman russ cohorts.
what do you guys do? any thoughts?

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-07-2006

way i reason is - as long as youre told before you pick your army list is ok for your opponent to use a FW item, within reason. a super heavy vehicle, flyer or normal variant is no problem.

Cagarner · 12-07-2006

I think you would simply have to reach some kind of agreement. Anyway, i bet its always funny to see the look on your opponents face when he finds his pretty baneblade has just been blown up.

Also, whats this about anti-aircraft. What weapons apart from hydra flack cannons are anti-aircraft?

Icarus Athrasuriel · 12-07-2006

Indeed it is.

I'll let anyone use anything, as long as I'm informed of it before-hand.

experiment 626 · 12-07-2006

well, if someone were to simply show up looking for a pick-up game on vet's night and all of a sudden they spring a baneblade or other super heavy on me, i'd no doubt be inclined to argue that my opponent can't use it!
super heavies are usually meant for huge games and/or fun senarios and such - not to be included as a major surprise advantage!

flyers on the other hand aren't really that bad... sure you only ever hit them on a 6 (unless you have an AA mount!) but overall they're not that over powered... (best idea is to simply ignore it! a flyer can claim/hold objectives for example unless it has VTOL hover mode or similar - at which point it's a sitting duck!

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most forgeworld stuff i see is also codex-legal stuff anyways! it's just that most players who can get their hands on it, perfer the much more finely detailed resin models! (and honestly, who hear doesn't want some forgeworld stuff for their vehicles!)

cheers!

Rogue_Banana · 12-07-2006

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Originally Posted by Cagarner

Also, whats this about anti-aircraft. What weapons apart from hydra flack cannons are anti-aircraft?

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe any weapon can be upgraded to being 'Anti-Aircraft' for about +20 or so points. Such weapons hit flyers much eaiser.

Personally, I agree with DeAd_cOmMaNdO - if your opponenet asks you before you've selected your armylist, they should be able to. Just have an anti-aircraft/baneblade list at hand

Dan296 · 12-08-2006

when i went to the vets night were i play yesterday, someone came up with an interesting solution. bring something for your opponent to use!
he wanted to use 3 flyers, a valkyrie and a 2 maurauders. i was going to say no, but then he brought out 2 whirlwind hyperios, saying i could use them! those are the standard anti-arcraft tank for space marines, which is what i was using. he painted them as adeptus mechanicus models, saying that its like they knew that the enemy was using alot of aircraft and sent these tanks as support. i thought that this was an interesting solution to the problem, and if i ever got some flyers i would do this also. i thought it was a good, unique solution.
if you play xenos though, it would be kind of odd with a space marine tank next to your carnifex, but if you play against imperium alot, i would suggest this.
by the way, they were very good in shooting down the flyers. i brought down the marauders be fore they could inflict too many casualties, but the valkryie landed its karskin before i could bring it down.

experiment 626 · 12-08-2006

that's always a good way of evening up the odds - giving your opponent something with an AA mount

still, flyers are more of an annoyance if anything! if you do get lucky and hit it, more than likely the flyer is at least going to be chased off before it can fire...
imperial navy flyers are for the most rather over-priced for what they can do! with only BS3 and alot of their weapons being one-shot hunter-killer rockets, they're not that deadly

cheers!

12-07-2006	#1 (permalink)
Dan296 The Dark Apostle Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,691 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 14 Thanked 67 Times in 36 Posts	forge world ethics i got to thinking about this when i witnessed 2 people argueing about if one guy could use his flyers what is the reasonable thign to do when someone asks if they can use it? i usually say no if its a superheavy whatever or flyer, but something like a dreadnaught with a FW inferno cannon, thats fine. as long as i can deal with whatever youre throwin at me, its cool. but if someone wants to use a flyer, i dont have any antiaircraft type things, and they dont cost that much so its not a big hunk of points taken away. likewise with superheavies. in no army, even my very shooty SM army, i dont have enough anti tank to take down a baneblade and its leman russ cohorts. what do you guys do? any thoughts? __________________ I am a leaf on the wind Watch how i soar

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Cagarner The Omnissiah Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,431 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 46 Thanked 50 Times in 22 Posts	I think you would simply have to reach some kind of agreement. Anyway, i bet its always funny to see the look on your opponents face when he finds his pretty baneblade has just been blown up. Also, whats this about anti-aircraft. What weapons apart from hydra flack cannons are anti-aircraft? __________________

12-07-2006	#4 (permalink)
Icarus Athrasuriel Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Candy Cane Forest of LIES!! Or Glasgow. Posts: 965 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 18 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Indeed it is. I'll let anyone use anything, as long as I'm informed of it before-hand. __________________ My favourite quotes: "There is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else (parents in the case of children, God in the case of adults) has a responsibility to give your life meaning and point." ~Richard Dawkins "Man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all." ~Aristotle "Must not all things at the last be swallowed up in death?" ~Plato

12-07-2006	#5 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,018 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 32 Thanked 262 Times in 193 Posts	well, if someone were to simply show up looking for a pick-up game on vet's night and all of a sudden they spring a baneblade or other super heavy on me, i'd no doubt be inclined to argue that my opponent can't use it! super heavies are usually meant for huge games and/or fun senarios and such - not to be included as a major surprise advantage! flyers on the other hand aren't really that bad... sure you only ever hit them on a 6 (unless you have an AA mount!) but overall they're not that over powered... (best idea is to simply ignore it! a flyer can claim/hold objectives for example unless it has VTOL hover mode or similar - at which point it's a sitting duck! ) most forgeworld stuff i see is also codex-legal stuff anyways! it's just that most players who can get their hands on it, perfer the much more finely detailed resin models! (and honestly, who hear doesn't want some forgeworld stuff for their vehicles!) cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

12-08-2006	#7 (permalink)
Dan296 The Dark Apostle Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,691 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 14 Thanked 67 Times in 36 Posts	when i went to the vets night were i play yesterday, someone came up with an interesting solution. bring something for your opponent to use! he wanted to use 3 flyers, a valkyrie and a 2 maurauders. i was going to say no, but then he brought out 2 whirlwind hyperios, saying i could use them! those are the standard anti-arcraft tank for space marines, which is what i was using. he painted them as adeptus mechanicus models, saying that its like they knew that the enemy was using alot of aircraft and sent these tanks as support. i thought that this was an interesting solution to the problem, and if i ever got some flyers i would do this also. i thought it was a good, unique solution. if you play xenos though, it would be kind of odd with a space marine tank next to your carnifex, but if you play against imperium alot, i would suggest this. by the way, they were very good in shooting down the flyers. i brought down the marauders be fore they could inflict too many casualties, but the valkryie landed its karskin before i could bring it down. __________________ I am a leaf on the wind Watch how i soar

12-07-2006	#2 (permalink)
DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	way i reason is - as long as youre told before you pick your army list is ok for your opponent to use a FW item, within reason. a super heavy vehicle, flyer or normal variant is no problem.

12-08-2006	#8 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,018 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 32 Thanked 262 Times in 193 Posts	that's always a good way of evening up the odds - giving your opponent something with an AA mount still, flyers are more of an annoyance if anything! if you do get lucky and hit it, more than likely the flyer is at least going to be chased off before it can fire... imperial navy flyers are for the most rather over-priced for what they can do! with only BS3 and alot of their weapons being one-shot hunter-killer rockets, they're not that deadly cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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