general poll and my tank rules reasonable?

[rhodrick]

hi just doing a poll to find out about 40k i am a large collector of lotr warhammer but do have a largeish army(s) of 40k, my main army is imperial guard and just wanted to do a poll as well as this poll i have a few questions about a tank i made called the imperial vanquisher. This tank is largly based on a bane blade, it is some thing i considerd building but never could manage any way the stats are. it has 14 front armour 12 side and 12 rear so its stong from the front. Its main cannon is either a baneblade cannon or a volcano cannon or a hell hammer cannon . then it has 2 hull mounted demolisher cannons and for the sponsons on the side they are twin linked heavy bolters and on top of these there are 2 lascannons. it can carry 3 squads of men or 25 people/independent charicters its ballistic skill is 4 and because of this it is a whopping 1 point no (900) changing to 800pts because of reply it can be upgraded with back sponsoons for 40 points each(twin linked heavy bollters) that is all hoped you had the pacience to read it all pleace leave your ideas of improvement and opinions of my tank and now to the poll which will hopefully work. i forgot to say it has 3 struckture points thanks to a reply.

An open battle feild is nothing but a death trap anything in it any moving thing is a casualty no matter how well it is protected. It is better to be nice to your soldiers than be killed when the enemy is still a suspiciously long way away

[Perturabo]

Hi and welcome to the site!

Wow-punctuation!



It seems to have a heck of a lot of cannons?

My initial thoughts - It also seems to be mixing the role of mobile gun platform and troop carrier, somthing alot of opponents will not be happy with also a super heavy doesnt make a good assault platform.

Though I can see what you want - a rock solid tank to punch forward and deliver its cargo of troops?

[rhodrick]

thanks. for. pointing. that. out. about. the. p.u.n.c.t.u.a.t.i.o.n! i will change now and that is what i was aming fore because im tired of my transports gettin blown up before they can get any where and all the men in it being stranded but i do think i should have less men like the s m land raider
an open battle feild is nothing but a death trap anything in it any moving thing is a casualty no matter how well it is protected. it is better to be nice to your soldiers than be killed when the enemy is still a suspiciously long way away

[Perturabo]

Indeed! Maybe try a heavily armoured but fast moving vehicle, loads of front armour, only light side armour and support weapons only.

That way it can still move at a fast pace to get the troops there and not worry about firing those big guns!?

[hairyyahoo]

Originally Posted by Perturabo

a super heavy doesnt make a good assault platform.

4 words for ya...
gorgon
armoured
assult
transport!

[Perturabo]

My apologies-I was refering to normal super heavy tanks!

The Gorgon is a superheavy assault craft but note that it doesnt have the tank weaponry only support weaponry as I suggested!

Following the old addage of you should never mix heavy firepower and assault capability in the same unit as it only causes confusion about the role of the unit and may cause a critical tactical mistake to be made, also why put alll your eggs in one basket!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I'd still say keep weapons platforms separate from carrier platforms.
The thing is, Carrier platforms will have SOME heavy weapons, mostly for close quarters weight, not long range or strength. Well, close quarters weight AND breaching ability.
i.e. 50 gazillion hellguns and a couple of hand drills should do eh?

Same in 40k, other games, or anything else. The philosophy is to keep different aspects, well, different.
Why? one word. Efficiency.
"But having one uber unit instead of many different units is efficient isn't it?"
Well yes and no. If it's good enough to put all its aspects to use, and still survive, it's inefficient and unrealistic due to material cost and difficulty of construction. (Places where this doesn't apply: See Imperator Titan)
If it's NOT good enough to survive, then when you lose it you not only lose all the troops its carrying, but a tremendous amount of firepower as well. Hence why you keep things separate.
Also, losing guns or carrying capacity allows it to be smaller, lighter, and so you can take more of them

Now on to the actual rules:

Back Sponsons - solid idea. Always good to have something to cover your arse especially if you're a giant tank... something many other vehicles in 40k seem to be lacking. *awaits the wrath of the many-a baneblade fanboys on this forum*

2x Lascannons on sponsons: To clarify, these are twin linked lascannons or just two?

How many structure points will it have?

Will it have an assault ramp type thing, and if so what are your planned rules?

(IIRC Vanquisher cannons are used on Russes right? If so is the vanquisher option for main weapon a little under powered?)

Consider dropping some big guns.

Think about: Open topped, firing slits, disembarking areas.

And lastly, 900 points plus 40pts/back sponson man? I can get a warhound that will blow this thing out of the water (or, if on land, into the water then out again) for a measely 750 points, so still trying to decide whether this is OP or UP...

In any case, a Baneblade / Gorgon hybrid is definitely a cool idea, so cookie points to you sir!

cheers,
Torq

P.S. what's the carrying capacity for a Gorgon? would be handy to work off that.

EDIT: ignore the demolisher comment (deleted) I just reread your post and realised that they're hull mounted. Sorry.

[Warmaster Romulas]

what are those strange dots and lines in your words
this is all new to me
im scared

LOL

seems relatively resonable but 900pts
notworth it my friend

[rhodrick]

thank u all i do think it is a bit good but that is why its 900pts but ill think ill change the amount of guns and also i forgot it has 3 struckture points. these lasguns are not twin linked like on the bane blade they are 2 sep weps on the sponsons 1 on each side added sponsons will not have these, any way thanks for the ideas thanks 4 every one voting in my poll. finaly i no about the 750 point tank but mine a very good tank i mean its a bane blade with troops in i thought if i put in like 600 points 100 over bane blade i thought it would be a bit cheap. i mean a chimera's like 100 pts i may change it to 800 pts and in return to loseing your men i think if a player has a large amount of anti tank u have the option of not puting them in, so you dont lose them but if they use mainly small tanks and rapid fire weapons this is a solid tank to get your troops 1 side 2 the other, so if u do lose troops because of anti tanks you were being stupid to keep them in the tank while its being sheld.

an open battle feild is nothing but a death trap anything in it any moving thing is a casualty no matter how well it is protected. it is better to be nice to your soldiers than be killed when the enemy is still a suspiciously long way away