GW selling Pre-Heresy Stuff?

[Steellegioncpt]

Sorry if I got your hopes up but they arent, well at least not now. As a hobbist I think they should. There is such a high demand lately with people making Pre-heresy Space Marine armies. You dont know how many trading posts I've read saying "need beaky helmets" So wouldnt it make sense for GW to produce a box of bits souly for Pre-Heresy? I mean it would be similar to the Black Templar bits that they had when they first came out.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

as a hobbyist and modeller of pre-heresy marines i think GW (and FW) shouldnt.

one of the novelties of making a pre heresy army is that its YOUR army. noone else will have any models quite like it.

things like maximus aremour for marines I(like the FW red scorpions) and the older mk landraider (again made by FW, though its not really the pre-heresy pattern) are fine, but actually making full ranges of pre-heresy models is what im against.

many pre-heresy modellers (myself included) are proud of the fact theyve been able to make an army out of GS and lots of converting and that will just be lost if gw make full ranges of the stuff, with every noob who plays the card game getting an army of pre-heresy marines.

and these just arent my thoughts - many many people i know and many more who ive seen on forums hope that GW never make full kits for pre-heresy models.

for example: ive got 50 corvus veterans in my marine army, all made from actuall beaky models, either bought the hard way or traded with other people. im making a loyalist pre-heresy death guard army using the plastic maximusn parts from the BT upgrade box (i dont like the FW versions) and im up to 30. im proud of the fact that ive been able to get these parts and were they available normally, it would be no different to getting a box of marines. again, many people who make these armies make them becasue of the modelling options - they like the challenge of making a lot of stuff from scratch. i for one will not use my pre heresy models as muc has i do now if GW makes proper models for them (thered be no point: the models will no longer be 'cool' because anyone can make them, and the army lists suck, because all my armies are themed but thats my problem lol)

rant over. sorry

[Steellegioncpt]

Well Im not saying making specific models for pre-herey. Im not saying making a battalion box of just pre-heresy marines. What I am saying is just a collection of beaky helmets mk2 mk3 armour plates studded shoulder pads etc.... to save you the trouble of hunting down these things.

[Cagarner]

Yea, A Pre-Heracy Bitz Sprue would be usefull. You would still have to use grean stuff do do other stuff, and the modeling possabilites are still huge, enabling unique models.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

What I am saying is just a collection of beaky helmets mk2 mk3 armour plates studded shoulder pads etc.... to save you the trouble of hunting down these things.

hmm... dont know what to think about it. one part of me likes the idea, but another part of me doesnt (for the same reasons i mentioned above). though probably im a bit more for than against

but again, this is just a personal thing. im sure it will be a big hit. hmm... a box of 5 corvus heads, 5 REAL corvus chests (the proper ones used for the space wolf torso not the one in the tactical box that everyone uses for corvus bodies), 5 corvus legs (no knee pads), 5 old skool bolters (one thing ill really look forward to!, 1 old skool flamer (also useful) and a power glove.... mmm

[Dan296]

i am in commando's court when i think that making pre-heresy models would be wrong and piss lots of people off. if they did make a seperate box with lots of the beak helmets, studded shoulder pads, and other pre-heresy type stuff that they already make, that would be kind of a mixed blessing. its true that it would make the hardcore modelers lives a bit easier because they dont have to hunt down all of the existing parts, but then again other people could buy the kit, and use only that and call it pre-heresy. it wouldnt be. you have to convert at least 60% of the armour in some way, and it wouldnt be true PH, thoroughly pissing off the hardcore modelers such as commando with all the fake PH armies.

[experiment 626]

again, i'm another for the 'no' camp - sorry guys!

as i've spent the better part of a full year collecting bitz and stuff before starting on my lamenters, i'd be pretty upset if gw all of a sudden released an 'early mk power armour' set that included bitz for beakies, heresy, maximus and iron armour style marines!
and there's still going to be some very hefty conversion work for my lamenters as i'll be needing to make lots of mk5 & mk6 studded areas like the shoulder pads and legs (for the mk5!)

i look at it the same way as i do for my guardsmen and their berets; while my mate was cheesed at first that i'd copied his idea of an all beret army, he doesn't really mind as i took the time to green stuff 90 or so berets!
now if gw suddenly released a sprue set for the guard full of beret heads, i'd be truely upset as every little kid and their grandmum will now have beret wearing guardsmen! (in essence, all my hard work has been for nothing as my army would no longer be so truely unique!)

so, while yes, it would be nice to have a sprue set for the earlier mk power armour suits, i personally feel it would be a real kick in the face to pretty much every dedicated modeler that's ever taken the time and effort to convert up a full army

cheers!

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by experiment 626

again, i'm another for the 'no' camp - sorry guys!

as i've spent the better part of a full year collecting bitz and stuff before starting on my lamenters, i'd be pretty upset if gw all of a sudden released an 'early mk power armour' set that included bitz for beakies, heresy, maximus and iron armour style marines!
and there's still going to be some very hefty conversion work for my lamenters as i'll be needing to make lots of mk5 & mk6 studded areas like the shoulder pads and legs (for the mk5!)


so, while yes, it would be nice to have a sprue set for the earlier mk power armour suits, i personally feel it would be a real kick in the face to pretty much every dedicated modeler that's ever taken the time and effort to convert up a full army

cheers!

Which is exactly why they should make a Pre-Heresy Sprue.

But if I may argue against my own post. I think that GW doesnt because it would be like going back in time. Its PRE-Heresy and right now all the fluff and the 40k Universe is Post-Heresy thus it wouldnt make sense for the Adeptus to go back in time? So thats my threory as to why they didnt make it out yet...

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

I agree with just around everyone else. I've never made a PH army, but I would want to build it from scratch if I did make one. Hence, I'd rather that GW didn't bring out PH models, or a PH bits box. Also, I wouldn't enjoy playing all those n00bs with PH armies, as it'd be a bit cheesy and unfluffy, never mind seeing even more immaculate mini's mutated into blobs of paint.

Though the convience would be nice, i'm going to throw a big 'No' storm your way m'man. My Bloo Angels, and all the Elite choics for my Emperors Children (I really got seriously interested in conversion just past th 1.5K mark on my army) are being modeled pre-heresy. You've all seen the first draft of my terminator project, and it's grown even more massive since. To up that, I am doing flying possessed marines PH style, as well as a squad of regular marines (just because I really, really, really wanna) with old terminator style, MK2 (if possible for possessed, if not MK3) and MK3 or MK2 for my last troop unit (Depending on what possessed work out as). I'll also be using the 'counts as' rule to make my bikers on jet-bikes, as that is what they had pre-heresy.

Now, I ask you in all honesty... Where is half the fun in all of that if you don't wait 3-5 months to save up and buy the bits in small waves (Warning: Do not buy all bits needed to bring your army from 1K to full 2K in one go), the bother of making the studded and segmented shoulder pads, etc... Then go and have GW pop out a kit that makes my army just like the rest? If GW has any respect for the modelers and collectors in the hobby, they would leave th PH area alone. If they don't. anyone want an old-fashioned angry mob at their HQ?

[experiment 626]

well put mate
imho, the thing that truely seperates the great converters is the fact that it is *very* difficult to do alot of these projects like pre-heresy marines because of the time, effort and high cost involved in all that heavy converting...

to just have pre-heresy bitz/berets heads for guardsmen/proper ccw & pistol arms for guardians/dynamic running legs and such available to everyone would be a huge kick in the face for those individuals who can see such a demanding project through and compleat it!

cheers!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

im actually surprised that most people share my views on this. it says a lot obout our views on covnerting and 'fluff-armies' i guess

not that i wont appreceate such parts if they were made (id still find a way to cut up every marines' arms and legs in 3 places, as i do now!) ill just have more options!

Mayhap a small, small package deal from GW would be great.. Say..A five man set of MK _ helmets, studded pads, and different other bits. But this may just be the horror talking as I fnally saw the sheer enormous physical size of my bits order, and i'm scared...

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

Indeed, it would be helpful, but it'd take away some of the uber-uniqueness.

[Killermoose]

Talking about the horror, I know exactly what you mean, it was the same for me when I realised how much cash I had spent on my Eldar army. I didn't sleep too well that night.

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

I'm NEVER going to figure out how much I've spent.

[Killermoose]

Yeh, as soon as I start adding my Tau and SM, plus stuff I'm getting with christmas money, my brain will implode. But man is it worth it!

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

Was that rhetorical?

Anyway, BOT.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

same thing here - so far ive bought 12 (yes 12) black templar upgrade boxes. 6 command boxes and gods know how many assault marine and tactical marine boxes, not to mention the venerable dreads, pre-heresy land raiders and other resin goodies from FW to get all the parts i need! but i love it, as long as i dont count up the hundreds of pound ive spent on this damn army! but i love it!

its the only way of getting the maximus and knightly parts i want for the army - expensive but unique

[Dan296]

well you can then also sell your bitz to your friends 10 cents per part =]
thats what i do, cause i and all of i friends like to show their models with various body parts of theirs scattered here and there.
it may be expensive to buy all of the parts
but when your opponents see it down on the table and are thinking 'AWSOME!' thats when its all worth it.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

i actually trade with my best friend (were both obsessed with marine armies). so we get a box or two each and trade bits with other! of course, more often than not we end up wanting the same pieces, so thats a blow