Drones

[manacycler]

I have a few questions concerning drones.

1)are they useful?
2) When the enemy is attacking a unit accompanied by drones, can I choose the drones as the casualties? Or if not, how do they fit into the casualty, dying, taking wounds, etc. thing?
3)do their armor saves get taken into account for multiple armor save rule?

[iNsOmNiAc'S dReAm]

Originally Posted by manacycler

1)are they useful?
2) When the enemy is attacking a unit accompanied by drones, can I choose the drones as the casualties? Or if not, how do they fit into the casualty, dying, taking wounds, etc. thing?
3)do their armor saves get taken into account for multiple armor save rule?

1) What kind of drones are you talking about ? Gun drones, Shield drones, Marker light drones?. All drones can be useful.

2) Yes, you can choose to remove the drones as a casualty, unless your oppenent has some special ability that allows him to choose the target aka Vindicare assassin.

3) Yes, their armor saves count toward the majority armor save rule. on a side note, I believe Shield drones recieve the same armor save and toughness as the model that holds the drone controller. i.e. A broad side with 2 shield drones, the unit would have a majority armor save of 2 plus.

I hope that helps somewhat

[experiment 626]

drones always count as part of their unit so their numbers are added to the squad's when determining for example if a unit has suffered 25% casulties in the shooting phase.

shield drones are always assumed to have the same T value and armour save as the models they accompany making them highly annoying buggers!

gun drones, marker drones & sniper drones for that matter all have their own T and armour save so in these cases, you apply both the majority toughness & majority armour save rules to the unit they accompany!

cheers!

[manacycler]

alright, at least I'll know for when I battle with drones...and I also know what's going first when I'm getting shot at.

[Warmaster Romulas]

ive used drone squads to be a mobile pinning unit
if i want a squad to stay put i hit it with a drone squad
you can keep a dagerous unit tied up for many turns this way

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Warmaster Romulas

ive used drone squads to be a mobile pinning unit
if i want a squad to stay put i hit it with a drone squad
you can keep a dagerous unit tied up for many turns this way

i once lost a game because 3 out of 3 of my guard units failed their target priority tests and really, really killed those last 3 gun drones who were already 'pinned' by mortar fire...

so the moral of the story is, drone squads really do scare the crap out of other 40k models!

cheers!

[UltraMar]

Yes you can thats the great thing, its like yes i rended the squad! No! all i killed were some drones, its a great little asspect

[electricwolf]

Originally Posted by manacycler

I have a few questions concerning drones.

1)are they useful?


each drone has their own unique purpose:

Marker Drones-another markerlight in a firewarrior squad is always helpful and giving a markerlight to a crisis suit that wouldn't normally have one is good

Gun Drones- more shots from a fire warrior squad is also useful

Shield drones- a target for your enemy to shoot at

2) When the enemy is attacking a unit accompanied by drones, can I choose the drones as the casualties? Or if not, how do they fit into the casualty, dying, taking wounds, etc. thing?

Yes you can the drones are part of the squad so they would follow the same rules as regular members of the squad

3)do their armor saves get taken into account for multiple armor save rule?

Ok I have talked to several GW employees on this one and got two different versions-the US GW told me basically that the majority armour rules apply meanign that the sheild drones 4+ invul save is useless when the drones are the minority- GW canada had two versions, two employees agreed with the US including a Direct Service troll however after talking about it to a manager who plays Tau, he took it all the way up to the canadian VP and they all agreed that the majority armour rules do not apply because:

when you have two saves and armour and an invulnerable you have to pick which one to use when being attacked so it would all depend on what you are being hit by.

[SteveBerenyi]

I disagree electric wolf, as the rulebook states it is only when you are tied number wise can you choose which save to use.

[electricwolf]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

I disagree electric wolf, as the rulebook states it is only when you are tied number wise can you choose which save to use.

I respect that you disagree but lets look at this situation:

I have a SM chaplain who has a rosiarius who is leading a command squad. If you follow the way most people are saying the chaplain would not get his rosiarius save because he is in the minority and his rosiarius would be pointless.

[Warmaster Romulas]

Originally Posted by electricwolf

I respect that you disagree but lets look at this situation:

I have a SM chaplain who has a rosiarius who is leading a command squad. If you follow the way most people are saying the chaplain would not get his rosiarius save because he is in the minority and his rosiarius would be pointless.

not so
the chaplains save is a 3+ in the even that he cannont use this save the 4+ is used instead
so there is no majority/minority when applying hits to models with multiple types of saves
you delegate hits as normal

most high power weapons dont have multiple shots so the chaplain wouldnt get hit unless he was the only one in range or in LOS of the weapon

[SteveBerenyi]

you calculate all hits from the same weapons at once. so:

I shoot you with my Tac squad.

5 hits from bolters
1 hit from combi-melta
1 hit from plasma

you delegate hits from melta first (i would at least)
then from the plasma
then from the bolters

that way if the bolters take out a few, then the lower power saves i'd use my 3+ to save

some say it is cheating, i say it is the rules.