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Old 03-23-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Well this is basicly useing everything i own (well with out upgrades) what do you guys think? (my 2 other carnifex arnt done yet T_T )

Hq's
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Hive Tyrant (sword\Venom) 177pts

Enhanced Senses
Extended Carpace
TOxin Sacs
Venom Cannon
Bonesword\Lashwhip

Tyrant Guard 45pts x3 135

Rending claws\Scything talons

Hive Tyrant (winged) 176pts

Add GLand +1 ws
Scytheing Talons x2
Wings (dur)
Warp Field (+6 Involn Save)
Toxin Sacs (+1s)
Acid Maw

Elite
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Lictor 80pts

Fast Attack
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Ravaner x3 120pts

Scytheing Talon
Rending Claws

Heavy Support
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Carnifex Devilfex 113pts


Twin Linked Devourers x2
Enhanced Senses (+1bs)

Carnifex (Roaring CrabO'Fex) 219pts

Acid Maw
Tusked: +2 Attacks when chargeing
Toxin sacs (+1s)
Extended Carpace (+1 sv)
Reinforced Chitin (+1w)
Scytheing Talons
Crushing CLaws
Bonded Exoskelenton (+1t)
TOxic Miasma
Ad Gland (+1I)

Troops
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Genestealer x24 216

Scuttle

Hormagaunt x32 320

Scything Talons (no other ups)

Termagaunt x26 126

Fleshboarers

1698pts
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Default Re: first 1700pt army

Before I can give any creditable critisims or compliments, I would like to know what the specifics are on your units. What are your Guants equiped with? What Biomorphs does the Winged HT have? So on and so forth.

As of right now it doesn't look to bad, but I still would like to know specifics. My OCD requires details.

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Whoops i knew i forgot to add something...problem solved.
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Default Re: first 1700pt army

Check for different colors comments on my thoughts for the list

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Well this is basicly useing everything i own (well with out upgrades) what do you guys think? (my 2 other carnifex arnt done yet T_T )

Hq's
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Hive Tyrant (swordVenom) 177pts

Enhanced Senses
Extended Carpace
TOxin Sacs
Venom Cannon
BoneswordLashwhip

I understand that the Toxin Sacs makes the Tyrant str. 8 with the VC, but I am not sold on it. for Tank Hunting you have Ravaners and if you include some warriors they have rending and with the ammount of attacks they can throw out it is usually enough to eat through just about any tank.

Tyrant Guard 45pts x3 135
Rending clawsScything talons

I love Tyrant Guard, but 3 for a game under 2,000 points that is a bit steep in my opinion.


Hive Tyrant (winged) 176pts

Add GLand +1 ws
Scytheing Talons x2
Wings (dur)
Warp Field (+6 Involn Save)
Toxin Sacs (+1s)
Acid Maw

Tyrant is a monstrous creature (or MC as they will be called from now on) with a decent str. any ways so I wouldn't waste points on the Toxin Sacs for MC.

Elite
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No Warriors!?! Hmm I don't agree with this. With only 2 Hive Tyrants for Synapse I would be worried about your little bugs acticing all wierd like. Not to mention you can get warriors pretty cheap and they can pack one hell of a wallop when in Close combat.

Lictor 80pts

These guys ROCK! Enough said.

Fast Attack
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Ravaner x3 120pts

Scytheing Talon
Rending Claws

These guys are awsome and why some one would ever equip them with Shooting weapons is beyond me.

Heavy Support
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Carnifex Devilfex 113pts

Twin Linked Devourers x2
Enhanced Senses (+1bs)

Lots and lots of shooting is always a good thing.

Carnifex (Roaring CrabO'Fex) 219pts

Acid Maw
Tusked: +2 Attacks when chargeing
Toxin sacs (+1s)
Extended Carpace (+1 sv)
Reinforced Chitin (+1w)
Scytheing Talons
Crushing CLaws
Bonded Exoskelenton (+1t)
TOxic Miasma
Ad Gland (+1I)

OK I would re-tweak this guy a bit. Toxin Sacs on the Fex are definately out. He is already str. 9, for the points 10 is over kill and serves relitivly no purpose.

Toxic Miasma, I have never been a fan. Granted you will hit I Guard and Tau on 3's, but you will still hit Chaos, Space Marines, Most Eldar, Most Orks, Most other Bugs, and Deamon Hunters on 4's. The points could be spent better elsewere.

Adreanal Glands, Definately out. Granted these allow you to strike before Power Fists, but most Power Fists are hidden with in units and will survive your attacks anyways so might as well strike at the same Init and realocate points.


Troops
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Genestealer x24 216

Scuttle

Genestealers with Scuttle is always fun.

Hormagaunt x32 320
Scything Talons (no other ups)

Here is where you should find points for Adreanal Glands for Init. Gaunts with Init. 5 is awsome you will go before just about every thing and be able to cut down on the number of attacks coming back at you.

Termagaunt x26 126

Fleshboarers

I know these are the prefered gun by most players, but have you ever considered Devourers. With a Longer Range, double the shots, and re-rolling wounds I love these things. You will get more shots of more often and just let sheer numbers overwelm your opponents. Don't let the low strength scare you with the numbers of shots these things can throw out they will preform well for you.

1698pts
Well those are just a few of my suggestions. I would definately try and find room for some Warriors. I think two Tyrants in under 2,000 points is unnessisary. If you loose one or the other that will free up plenty of space for some Warriors.

Same could be said for fielding 2 Fex'es in this low points cost of a game, but then again there is nothing like throwing down two of those bad boys and watching your oppents wince a bit at the thought of dealing with the both of them. If they work for you than fly with it.

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since when is 1700pts low???? and thanks for your opinions but my big bugs do alot of damage since people always go for the genestealers first (they they figure out hormagaunts are the real problem), also power weapons = BAD so i always want to hit them first and theres the chance i can take out the whole squad since on a perfect role i have 6+2(tusked)+1(talons) so 9 attacks and acid maw =D
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Default Re: first 1700pt army

1700 is low
considering we have been playing 3000+ apocalypse games
i like the list but i agree with servo
i love the big monsters and upgrades but too many of them take away from the kind of real damage you can do with a low point game
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to be honest once i have more raveners and lictors im dropping my tyrant guards and tyrant
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Default Re: first 1700pt army

i understand
i know what its like to have your list at the mercy of your minis
i think its a good list for what you have available to you currently
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Default Re: first 1700pt army

Yes, yes I agree with WMR. I was just making suggestions as to what to plan for the future.

Even most Tournys now a days are between 1850 and 2150, so yeah 1700 is a bit low, but then again if you are used to fighting 1000 to 1500 point games then 1700 is a huge jump in points. I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.

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