Black Templars 2000

[The Emperors Champion]

Black Templars 2000pts

Emperors Champion, the black sword, the armour of faith, terminator honours, crusader seals, fragmentation grenades, bolt pistol, Abhor the witch destroy the witch
110

Master of sanctity, Crozius Arcanum, Rosarius, Crusader seals, Terminator honours, bolt pistol, fragmentation grenades, Holy orb of Antioch, Melta bombs
142

10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 14 Bolt pistols, 13 Close combat weapons
235

10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 14 Bolt pistols, 13 Close combat weapons
235

Dreadnought, Twin linked Lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armour, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armour, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

10 Initiates, jump pack, Fragmentation Grenades Melta bombs, Power fist, 10Bolt pistols, 9 Close combat Weapons
255

3 Attack bikes, 3 Twin linked bolters, 3Multi meltas, Fragmentation grenades
195

3 Land speeders, 3 Heavy bolters ,3 Assault cannons
210

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour Hunter killer missile
165

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour Hunter killer missile
165

GRAND TOTAL 2000

Total 52 models including vehicles

Any critisism appreiated I tried to keep it Fluffy but still competitive

[Baron Spikey]

Originally Posted by The Emperors Champion

Black Templars 2000pts

Emperors Champion, the black sword, the armour of faith, terminator honours, crusader seals, fragmentation grenades, bolt pistol, Abhor the witch destroy the witch
110

Master of sanctity, Crozius Arcanum, Rosarius, Crusader seals, Terminator honours, bolt pistol, fragmentation grenades, Holy orb of Antioch, Melta bombs
142
Definitely 2 character to watch out for and in a 2k battle should rack up some kills if used properly

10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 14 Bolt pistols, 13 Close combat weapons
235

10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 14 Bolt pistols, 13 Close combat weapons
235
Seems good, nice solid amount of close combat troops. Its good that you've got more Initiates than Neophytes so your using the 3+ save rather than the 4+ save.

Dreadnought, Twin linked Lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armour, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armour, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

10 Initiates, jump pack, Fragmentation Grenades Melta bombs, Power fist, 10Bolt pistols, 9 Close combat Weapons
255

3 Attack bikes, 3 Twin linked bolters, 3Multi meltas, Fragmentation grenades
195
I'd suggest changing these to heavy bolters because you have a large amount of anti-tank fire power already, what you need is multi shot weapons to thin out those large enemy units who could drag down your infantry through weight of numbers

3 Land speeders, 3 Heavy bolters ,3 Assault cannons
210
Excellent! both good infantry and light vehicle killers with the possibility to use them against heavier vehicles if you get desperate or you start to run out of targets

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour Hunter killer missile
165

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour Hunter killer missile
165
Personally I think HK missiles are too much of an indulgence but that amount of anti-tank firepower coming from 2 vehicles will make any enemy tank or big beasty pause
GRAND TOTAL 2000

Total 52 models including vehicles

Any critisism appreiated I tried to keep it Fluffy but still competitive

Other than the Attack Bikes being changed I cant see much wrong with this list, its a bit low on infantry numbers but the weight of firepower should help, its always refreshing seeing a new take on what I believed to be an army that was a one trick pony.

[The Emperors Champion]

Black Templars 2000pts

Emperors Champion, the black sword, the armour of faith, terminator honours, crusader seals, fragmentation grenades, bolt pistol, Abhor the witch destroy the witch
110

Master of sanctity, Crozius Arcanum, Rosarius, Crusader seals, Terminator honours, bolt pistol, fragmentation grenades, Holy orb of Antioch, Melta bombs
142

10 Initiates, 8 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 17 Bolt pistols, 16 Close combat weapons
265

10 Initiates, 8 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 17 Bolt pistols, 16 Close combat weapons
265

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armor, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armor, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

10 Initiates, jump pack, Fragmentation Grenades Melta bombs, Power fist, 10Bolt pistols, 9 Close combat Weapons
255

3 Attack bikes, 3 Twin linked bolters, 1 Multi melta, Fragmentation grenades
165

3 Land speeders, 3 Heavy bolters, 3 Assault cannons
210

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour
150

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour
150

GRAND TOTAL 2000
So what about this I got rid of 2 MM and the hunterkillers

[experiment 626]

comments/crits/suggestions included in the list!

Originally Posted by The Emperors Champion

Black Templars 2000pts

Emperors Champion, the black sword, the armour of faith, terminator honours, crusader seals, fragmentation grenades, bolt pistol, Abhor the witch destroy the witch
110

Master of sanctity, Crozius Arcanum, Rosarius, Crusader seals, Terminator honours, bolt pistol, fragmentation grenades, Holy orb of Antioch, Melta bombs
142

+++ i'd honestly dumb him down to just the 2-wound chappy... it's alot cheaper and you aren't really gaining much anyways for the extra pts.
also lose the termie honours. for the same price you can get another space marine! as an IC the chappy is never a scoring unit anyways so keep his cost bare minimum - spend the extra pts on those models which will actually count as scoring units!+++

10 Initiates, 8 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 17 Bolt pistols, 16 Close combat weapons
265

10 Initiates, 8 Neophytes, Power fist, Meltagun, 17 Bolt pistols, 16 Close combat weapons
265

+++ drop 4 neophytes from each squad just so you don't get thrashed by the mixed armour rules... (ie: after you suffer your first 3 casulties, the next 'set' of wounds from the next enemy unit will start picking on your neophytes as they're now the majority save!)
a cleaver opponent will catch you on this and you'll find your units quickly losing their numerical advantage...+++

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armor, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

Dreadnought, Twin linked lascannons, Missile launcher, Extra armor, Smoke launchers, Search light
144

+++ i prefer the assault cannon + rocket launcher combo myself... cheaper, just as effective vs tanks and much better vs infantry! it's a truely multi-purpose killing machine!+++

10 Initiates, jump pack, Fragmentation Grenades Melta bombs, Power fist, 10Bolt pistols, 9 Close combat Weapons
255

+++ make the squad only 8 strong... 6 is too few to be effective and 10 leads to over-kill, plus it's much more difficult to make decent use of cover with the larger unit size.

the difference between a decent assault unit and a great assault unit is that the great assault unit will cripple, but not wipe out/chase off it's opponents untill your opponent's turn! that way, you don't get shot to crap before you can mug some other poor unit!+++

3 Attack bikes, 3 Twin linked bolters, 1 Multi melta, Fragmentation grenades
165

3 Land speeders, 3 Heavy bolters, 3 Assault cannons
210

+++ drop it down to just 2 speeders for scoring unit purposes...+++

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour
150

Predator annihilator, Twin linked Lascannon, 2 side Sponson Lascannons. Extra armour
150

+++ i'd take heavy bolter sponsons in place of lascannons. staying mobile is key to keeping your armour alive... you could also use some more anti-hoard firepower as well to help thin out numerically supieror forces, or else counter those dedicated enemy assault units that are generally much better than your templars...+++

GRAND TOTAL 2000
So what about this I got rid of 2 MM and the hunterkillers

by thining out some stuff and better optimised your scoring units, you could likely get another small crusader squad with say a heavy bolter or rocket launcher to provide some long ranged support and continually contest your own deployment zone?

hope this helps,
cheers!

[The Sword 88]

I would keep the 3 wound chaplain I think he will be worth it at this point level, its only 15 pts so 1 marine.

I would cut a few, probably 4, neophytes fro each squad and cut 2 men from each assault squad and add a small squad with a missile launcher or a heavy bolter.