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Killermoose · 08-07-2007

Hmm... I would say that Russ would have BS 5. I mean, I agree that you have to take from somewhere if you give him WS 8, but he's a Primarch! He'd definitely be better at shooting than a regular Space Marine, even if he didn't shoot that much. Just my opinion...

Templar Mikeel · 08-07-2007

Moose makes a good point.

Baron Spikey · 08-07-2007

Im not certain that his WS should be 8, maybe 7 instead. Russ was a fantastic close-combatant (certainly amongst the best Primarchs in one-one combat) but I see him as not relying on an overly developed skill with his weapons but more his style of combat itself which was brash and impulsive, coupled with a great strength and berserker spirit (surpassed only by Magnus and Angron respectively).

This would help to differentiate from the Primarchs who made it their ambition to fully master whatever weapons they used, such as Fulgrim and Sanguinius who I think should be given a WS of 9 or 10.

Just my 2 cents

BrainDeleted · 08-07-2007

with da baron

Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey · 08-07-2007

Quick, before he gets snatched up! I was wondering if I help your guys (or girls) out with making some of these rules.

If so, could I take up making the rules for Sanguinius? I already have a few ideas to make him original and the like.

BrainDeleted · 08-07-2007

This is cooperative thing guys

We all get in a say in the rules for each Primarch!

That said I thing Lord Commander Erus is starting Sangy boy. But you have my permission to tear Lord Commander Erus's rendition of Sang apart when he makes it and add your own stuff (If its fluffy and within reason) same goes for the Primarchs we already have done! If you have anything to add please do!!!

wolfpack · 08-07-2007

ok have made the corrections to WS and BS but if yer saying that his 'great strength' is what helps in his CC then do you think that should be upped to a 7?...

As for the nemesis and null rod rules(at least the updated versions) I don't have them so anyone that does can you pm them to me?...

Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey · 08-07-2007

Haha. Alright, thats fine. Thanks for getting back to me so quick. Anyway, I'll just add a quick idea that I picked up from a great site called Codex: Horus Heresy, that was just amazing at how they recreated rules for events and units during the Heresy. One idea in particular caught my attention several times when I attempted to make my own primarch rules. The idea was this: Why not have a primarch STC (Standard Template Construct)?

With a primarch STC to work off of, it makes the task of creating primarch rules much less strenuos. So, here was the STC that came to be.
___________
WS-6, BS-6, S-6,T-6,W-4,A-5,Ld.10,Sv.-Depends.,(Sorry, don't know how to make those nice boxes. :P)

Special Rules:

-Primarchs, Gods Among Mortals: Primarchs are regarded as the Emperor’s holy sons and the embodiment of a godlike powers. Therefore, they inspire men fighting by their sides to unimaginable feats of strength and courage. Any friendly unit, be it space marines or imperial guard, within a 12" radius automatically pass all morale checks and leadership tests.
___________

Now when you look at these rules, they're neither broken nor to weak, they stand just in the realm of being balanced, as they can be killed, but are still highly capable in combat. In conclusion, the STC just gives you a basic statline of what a primarch should be, and from there, you can either add or subtract to certain characteristics and rules to fit the certain primarch your building up.

BrainDeleted · 08-07-2007

hahaha we all ready did I'll post it here again, mate

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDeleted

	Pts/Model	WS	BS	S	T	W	I	A	Ld	Sv
Primarchs	-	7	5	6	6	5	6	5	10	2+/3+ inv

Super Human Constitution: The Primarchs are know for their unbreakable will and iron constitution. Nothing can automatically wound a Primarch. Also at the beginning of your own turn if a Primarch is below the amount of wounds he started the games with but not dead roll a D6 on a 6 one wound is regained.

Primarch Iron Halo/Field Generator: Specially made for the Primarchs, this Iron Halo/Field Generator conveys a +3 inv save.

Indepentant Character

+/- skills for the individual primarchs

and special rules of course

I don't know about that rule, Gods among mottals, though...hmm...what does everyone else think?

the tables are made with:
[/table] last
text in the middle
and
[table="Profile" head]

I have to do it backwards or else it would make a table hahaha... use | for colums

Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey · 08-07-2007

Oh man, I feel like a fool! lol. Oh right, I wanted to ask if there was any other primarch that needs to be started or anyone that might need my help. And thanks for the code to make the tables, that should make my posts with stat lines in them look a little more professional.

wolfpack · 08-07-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDeleted

hahaha we all ready did I'll post it here again, mate

I don't know about that rule, Gods among mottals, though...hmm...what does everyone else think?

sounds like the Leader of men rule I used for Russ...except for the Auto part......must wait for the rest of the brothers and sister to chime in...

What say you Brothers?...

BrainDeleted · 08-07-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey

Oh man, I feel like a fool! lol. Oh right, I wanted to ask if there was any other primarch that needs to be started or anyone that might need my help. And thanks for the code to make the tables, that should make my posts with stat lines in them look a little more professional.

No problem.

I think the Night haunter is free. So is Dorn(I think?) and magnus is too...angon and mortarion are too

Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey · 08-07-2007

"Primarchs, Gods Amongst Mortals, was there to represent the kind of courage and actions Primarchs could inspire in their ranks. I do agree that the auto-pass might be to much. Maybe downgrading to the Legendary Leader rule would make it more balanced?

And I'd be happy to take Angron. Should he molded to pre-heresy specs?

wolfpack · 08-07-2007

Yes this is all prehersy...as is the case many died around the time of the heresy or shortly after...

masterofweirdness · 08-08-2007

Hey, is anyone doing Vulkan? I'm not sure why... but this is a primarch I would like to do.

If he's not avialible, I could do Dorn, but I don't really know what weapons he uses or anything... in fact my favorite primarchs are taken.

Lord Commander Erus · 08-08-2007

Vulcans free, and I think Dark Jester Chimed in on Flash Chat he wanted to do Night Haunter. If it's not confirmed at the end of the week, he's free as well. So far, the ones DONE are.

Fulgrim, Russ, Alpharius, Guiliman

I'm thinking of trying Sanguinius out now? Any objections or suggstions on his wargear?

Perturabo · 08-08-2007

As always Perturabo is forgotten about...*sniff

I shall start working on his stuff over the next few days

Thinking about giving him technical stuff like a Techamarine (repair stuff etc) a servo arm, Forge Breaker (two handed Thunder hammer-insta death etc), some thing about seige master-units within 12" can lower an enemies cover save by 1 maybe? Or the ability to reroll scatter dice (precise bomabrdment rule)

Lord Commander Erus · 08-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perturabo

As always Perturabo is forgotten about...*sniff

I shall start working on his stuff over the next few days

Thinking about giving him technical stuff like a Techamarine (repair stuff etc) a servo arm, Forge Breaker (two handed Thunder hammer-insta death etc), some thing about seige master-units within 12" can lower an enemies cover save by 1 maybe? Or the ability to reroll scatter dice (precise bomabrdment rule)

The servo-harness-esque idea would be cool. Forge Breaker is a must, and I think the re-roll to scatter dice would be best, perhaps also giving units of the same type (two bassies, etc..) some sort of combined fire rule ala the fire prism for Eldar?

Perturabo · 08-08-2007

Sounds good-like a concentrated fire thing-maybe choose either the reroll or the increased strength.

The sevro harness is good as well, increaed attacks and the flamer/plasma gun as well!!

BrainDeleted · 08-08-2007

aww poor pert...That is why he turned heretic I guess....

I'd give forgebreaker 2D6 Armor penetration. And maybe a rule thet once per game he can call in an artillery strike kinda like the witch hunters one

Baron Spikey · 08-08-2007

As I've said before I'll do Dorn OR Corax- since a couple of people have mentioned wanting to do Dorn I'll get cracking on the Lord of Ravens.

Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey · 08-08-2007

For Sanguinius, maybe you (Erus), could give him a choice between two weapon types, as he was known to use a spear on at least one occasion.

So something like the Spear of Telesto (w/ some kind of breath attack as it was known to be able to vaporize enemies without the blood of Sangy in them.) or the Blade that he carried (Encarmine?) that gives his stats some kind of bonus.

08-07-2007	#61 (permalink)
Killermoose The Ruler of Earth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Good old England! Posts: 1,059 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 19 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Hmm... I would say that Russ would have BS 5. I mean, I agree that you have to take from somewhere if you give him WS 8, but he's a Primarch! He'd definitely be better at shooting than a regular Space Marine, even if he didn't shoot that much. Just my opinion... __________________ By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's, I mean. - Mark Twain

08-07-2007	#63 (permalink)
Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,722 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 61 Thanked 141 Times in 109 Posts	Im not certain that his WS should be 8, maybe 7 instead. Russ was a fantastic close-combatant (certainly amongst the best Primarchs in one-one combat) but I see him as not relying on an overly developed skill with his weapons but more his style of combat itself which was brash and impulsive, coupled with a great strength and berserker spirit (surpassed only by Magnus and Angron respectively). This would help to differentiate from the Primarchs who made it their ambition to fully master whatever weapons they used, such as Fulgrim and Sanguinius who I think should be given a WS of 9 or 10. Just my 2 cents __________________ THE BIG QUIZ- Just Click The Sentence

08-07-2007	#64 (permalink)
BrainDeleted Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,253 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 66 Thanked 73 Times in 52 Posts Blog Entries: 1	with da baron __________________ "The heart that quavers in the breast be damned! We'll stand our ground right here upon the field; And we'll provide the carnage and the slaughter -Roland Vote on the Battlefield <---Pssst! Thats a link

08-07-2007	#66 (permalink)
BrainDeleted Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,253 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 66 Thanked 73 Times in 52 Posts Blog Entries: 1	This is cooperative thing guys We all get in a say in the rules for each Primarch! That said I thing Lord Commander Erus is starting Sangy boy. But you have my permission to tear Lord Commander Erus's rendition of Sang apart when he makes it and add your own stuff (If its fluffy and within reason) same goes for the Primarchs we already have done! If you have anything to add please do!!! __________________ "The heart that quavers in the breast be damned! We'll stand our ground right here upon the field; And we'll provide the carnage and the slaughter -Roland Vote on the Battlefield <---Pssst! Thats a link

08-07-2007	#67 (permalink)
wolfpack The Great Wolf Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BFE Kentucky Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 42 Thanked 69 Times in 53 Posts	ok have made the corrections to WS and BS but if yer saying that his 'great strength' is what helps in his CC then do you think that should be upped to a 7?... As for the nemesis and null rod rules(at least the updated versions) I don't have them so anyone that does can you pm them to me?... __________________ I am Wolfpack, my fangs are long, my hair grey with age...I am The Great Wolf...I fight with bolter and Axe, my armies vast, my word final. A true son of Russ, my honor above all, I hunt the heretic, the xenos, and the witch and slay them where they stand! My sons hunt our enemies, slay them where they falter and bring their pelts to Fenris The 40K Terra Second Company

08-07-2007	#65 (permalink)
Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey Primer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quick, before he gets snatched up! I was wondering if I help your guys (or girls) out with making some of these rules. If so, could I take up making the rules for Sanguinius? I already have a few ideas to make him original and the like.

08-07-2007	#68 (permalink)
Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey Primer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Haha. Alright, thats fine. Thanks for getting back to me so quick. Anyway, I'll just add a quick idea that I picked up from a great site called Codex: Horus Heresy, that was just amazing at how they recreated rules for events and units during the Heresy. One idea in particular caught my attention several times when I attempted to make my own primarch rules. The idea was this: Why not have a primarch STC (Standard Template Construct)? With a primarch STC to work off of, it makes the task of creating primarch rules much less strenuos. So, here was the STC that came to be. ___________ WS-6, BS-6, S-6,T-6,W-4,A-5,Ld.10,Sv.-Depends.,(Sorry, don't know how to make those nice boxes. :P) Special Rules: -Primarchs, Gods Among Mortals: Primarchs are regarded as the Emperor’s holy sons and the embodiment of a godlike powers. Therefore, they inspire men fighting by their sides to unimaginable feats of strength and courage. Any friendly unit, be it space marines or imperial guard, within a 12" radius automatically pass all morale checks and leadership tests. ___________ Now when you look at these rules, they're neither broken nor to weak, they stand just in the realm of being balanced, as they can be killed, but are still highly capable in combat. In conclusion, the STC just gives you a basic statline of what a primarch should be, and from there, you can either add or subtract to certain characteristics and rules to fit the certain primarch your building up.

08-07-2007	#70 (permalink)
Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey Primer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh man, I feel like a fool! lol. Oh right, I wanted to ask if there was any other primarch that needs to be started or anyone that might need my help. And thanks for the code to make the tables, that should make my posts with stat lines in them look a little more professional. __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. " -Jack Handy (Deep Thoughts)

08-07-2007	#73 (permalink)
Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey Primer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"Primarchs, Gods Amongst Mortals, was there to represent the kind of courage and actions Primarchs could inspire in their ranks. I do agree that the auto-pass might be to much. Maybe downgrading to the Legendary Leader rule would make it more balanced? And I'd be happy to take Angron. Should he molded to pre-heresy specs? __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. " -Jack Handy (Deep Thoughts)

08-07-2007	#74 (permalink)
wolfpack The Great Wolf Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BFE Kentucky Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 42 Thanked 69 Times in 53 Posts	Yes this is all prehersy...as is the case many died around the time of the heresy or shortly after... __________________ I am Wolfpack, my fangs are long, my hair grey with age...I am The Great Wolf...I fight with bolter and Axe, my armies vast, my word final. A true son of Russ, my honor above all, I hunt the heretic, the xenos, and the witch and slay them where they stand! My sons hunt our enemies, slay them where they falter and bring their pelts to Fenris The 40K Terra Second Company

08-08-2007	#75 (permalink)
masterofweirdness One of strangess Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Turn around... (if I'm not there I'm usually in Bangladesh) Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 251 Thanked 65 Times in 58 Posts	Hey, is anyone doing Vulkan? I'm not sure why... but this is a primarch I would like to do. If he's not avialible, I could do Dorn, but I don't really know what weapons he uses or anything... in fact my favorite primarchs are taken. __________________ Proud member of the FSBGEBS: Feed Stitch Before Getting Eaten By Stitch, Protecting the 40kterra community from a ravenous Stitch. My Blog, my life, my strangeness He is no fool who gives that which he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose - Jim Elliot Life, don't me started on life - Marvin the Robot

08-08-2007	#76 (permalink)
Lord Commander Erus Your Friendly Neighborhood Heretic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY (Back home in the bluegrass) Posts: 6,629 Rep Power: 7 Thanks: 170 Thanked 398 Times in 249 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Vulcans free, and I think Dark Jester Chimed in on Flash Chat he wanted to do Night Haunter. If it's not confirmed at the end of the week, he's free as well. So far, the ones DONE are. Fulgrim, Russ, Alpharius, Guiliman I'm thinking of trying Sanguinius out now? Any objections or suggstions on his wargear? __________________ "Men are haunted by the vastness of eternity. And so we ask ourselves: will our actions echo across the centuries? Will strangers hear our names long after we are gone, and wonder who we were, how bravely we fought, how fiercely we loved?" - Odysseus (Troy - 2004) Black Saints Adeptus Astartes Chapter

08-08-2007	#77 (permalink)
Perturabo Tyrant of Moray Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of Terror Posts: 1,286 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 19 Thanked 106 Times in 48 Posts Blog Entries: 4	As always Perturabo is forgotten about...*sniff I shall start working on his stuff over the next few days Thinking about giving him technical stuff like a Techamarine (repair stuff etc) a servo arm, Forge Breaker (two handed Thunder hammer-insta death etc), some thing about seige master-units within 12" can lower an enemies cover save by 1 maybe? Or the ability to reroll scatter dice (precise bomabrdment rule) __________________ the_iron_warriors@yahoo.co.uk Experts in Siege Works....we also do Patios and Drives My Camera caught the Obliterator Virus...shooting some pictures took on a whole new meaning!

08-08-2007	#79 (permalink)
Perturabo Tyrant of Moray Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of Terror Posts: 1,286 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 19 Thanked 106 Times in 48 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Sounds good-like a concentrated fire thing-maybe choose either the reroll or the increased strength. The sevro harness is good as well, increaed attacks and the flamer/plasma gun as well!! __________________ the_iron_warriors@yahoo.co.uk Experts in Siege Works....we also do Patios and Drives My Camera caught the Obliterator Virus...shooting some pictures took on a whole new meaning!

08-08-2007	#80 (permalink)
BrainDeleted Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,253 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 66 Thanked 73 Times in 52 Posts Blog Entries: 1	aww poor pert...That is why he turned heretic I guess.... I'd give forgebreaker 2D6 Armor penetration. And maybe a rule thet once per game he can call in an artillery strike kinda like the witch hunters one __________________ "The heart that quavers in the breast be damned! We'll stand our ground right here upon the field; And we'll provide the carnage and the slaughter -Roland Vote on the Battlefield <---Pssst! Thats a link

08-08-2007	#81 (permalink)
Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,722 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 61 Thanked 141 Times in 109 Posts	As I've said before I'll do Dorn OR Corax- since a couple of people have mentioned wanting to do Dorn I'll get cracking on the Lord of Ravens. __________________ THE BIG QUIZ- Just Click The Sentence

08-08-2007	#82 (permalink)
Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey Primer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For Sanguinius, maybe you (Erus), could give him a choice between two weapon types, as he was known to use a spear on at least one occasion. So something like the Spear of Telesto (w/ some kind of breath attack as it was known to be able to vaporize enemies without the blood of Sangy in them.) or the Blade that he carried (Encarmine?) that gives his stats some kind of bonus. __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. " -Jack Handy (Deep Thoughts) Last edited by Grandmaster Ezra Godfrey; 08-08-2007 at 09:03 PM.