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12-18-2007
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Blog Entries: 5 |  Valkyrie/Vulture plans? Ok.. I know we have immensely skilled modelers here. And scratch builders... I am issuing you a challenge now... Lets get a group project going, and come up with some scratch build plans for these beasts! They'd be a great addition to the manufactorum..
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| Ok we need to lay down some ground rules to keep thinks simple and affordable. - Total cost of supplies must be under $50. - Materials should be easily obtainable. - Results must be easy to replicate, and must be able to be assembled in a relatively short amount of time ( about 8 hours ). - Body should be designed in such a way that it may accommodate other model varients without heavy modifacation to current plans ( i.e. Vulture, etc. ). Please feel free to add your thoughts and ideas, this is ment to be a group project after all 
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Blog Entries: 5 | Like those ideas so far ID.. I'd also like to propose doing a rather basic chasis first, then maybe a level, or two of more detailed design variants. That way we don't limit ourselves, yet we don't make it so it's too bland/generic.
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|  The goal of this project should be to inspire people and show them it can be done, and that you dont have to be a master model builder to do it.
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Blog Entries: 1 | well i don't know if this fits into the plans so far but i did a bit of investigating in my local hardware superstore a while ago and found that certain plumbing and electrical conduit accessories could quite easily be used to create the engine and exaust for a vulture. i suppose the same could be true for the valk.
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Right.. For materials, what should we do eh gentleman?
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12-19-2007
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| Foam core, bosa wood, cardboard, plasticard, and pumping / electrical conduits as Hairy suggested, all seem like good ideas to me. Cheap and easy to find
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Blog Entries: 5 | Probably most of the materials as base, and plasticard over top for a sleek finish, and ease of painting? I'm not sure if that's really the case, but it seems PC would paitn easier.
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| yep, thats what I was thinkin. Just use the foamcore and bosa wood to bulk out everything
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Blog Entries: 1 | r4, i think the suggestion was to use the wood to form the basic shape and then clad it in plasticard so the grain doesn't show. i really thing that this is the way to go, although foamcore would probably be easier to manipulate than balsa.
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| well even if you build the main body out of foamcore, it should stand up to wear and tear alright, especially if we plan to cover the thing in plasticard lol..
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Blog Entries: 1 | what would be the recomended adhesive for constructing these things? i got a feelin that pva just wont cut the mustard! would a hot glue gun work?
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| no, your normal all purpose super glue would be your best bet o.O
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| well balsa or famcore realy dont mater thats pritty much modelers preference. cmon i wanna se some plans..... ok i realise at this point i have no clue what a valk or vulture look like lol.so maybe some reference pics?
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Blog Entries: 4 | Here's something to give you some inspiration, apparently bendy straws have more then one use http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_...showtopic=8758 http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_...showtopic=9867
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| hmm, i would think that's the best way to go. the epic models just don't have enough detail, not in my mind at least...then again, they are cheap :P actually, i think it would be best to research both the epic and the FW models..unless there is another one i'm not mentioning ? anyone know the size comparison of the vulture or valkyrie ? i know what both look like, just not the rough size estimate another really cheap workable material is chipboard. think cereal box material, but about 5 times thicker. it's cheap, about $3 for like 3'x4' which is probably enough to build frames for one or two of these bad boys :P and then cover with plasticard/plasticard detailing ? i love the use of those straws, btw. definitely think we should try using those...such cheap materials ! :P and thanks for the clearup hairy :] -ant
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Blog Entries: 5 | Based off the FW/the linked scratch build above. Ikarus has promised detailed pics of the valkyrie sprus and dimensions of pieces when he does his next FW order.
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  | and I believe the size comparison charts are in the back of the FW IA books...I know there is one in the back of V2 but can't remember if there is one in the back of V1... These could be used to give us a better idea of scale compared to say a Leman Russ or a Rhino...will have to dig mine out and do some math...see what I come up with for dimensions The links are sweet too...maybe someone(steve?) could get ahold of these guys and request photocopies of the templates???...maybe???...
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Blog Entries: 1 | Don't know too much about scratch building, but I think that it might work to build the frame out of foamcore and support it with thick balsa wood or plasticard and then glue plasticard on top of that. The cockpit could be crafted out of the plastic from blister packs and the weapons, well, there are plenty of plastic weapons out there.
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