Some Sanity Please!

[SteveBerenyi]

Ok, when i started this i had no idea it would go this far. that being said i have watched the development on this monster i have come to a few revelations.

1. while it is fun to do the background and all of that it is not what we should be focused on.

2. all of our plans and ideas are taking us away from the original plan and point of this.

3. From everything that i can tell, our army is haphazard and turning into an equivelant to the Cosmic Space Knights (of Doom)

To remedy this I have a few Suggestions.

1. We All Stop trying to recruit. some may see this as me being pissy that i have only recruited 2 and others have more but that is not it at all. my reasoning is this: WE WANT TO HAVE A FUNCTIONAL ARMY!

2. we have to have an army list. Nobody will agree 100% on the makeup of the list and others will want a special place, but people, we can not all be a captain or even a sergent. so i Say we start with the army list.

HQ:
Chapter Master : Ikarus
Librarian, Chaplain, Apothecary, Chapter Champion, Honor Guard, Command Squad etc: Staff Members

Elites:

Other Staff Members,

Troops: (most of everyone will fall here)

Form Squads and each squad elects it's own sergent

Fast Attack
Mods and others

Heavy Support
Mods and others.

this is not a deffinate, but i believe that we need to have a playable army first.

After we have all of this done, then we can work on our background, base of opperations, and all that crap.

Come On People. this has gone from a fun idea to name calling and insinuation. We are not known for our sanity, but we all can at least be called rational at times.

Really people.

[God_Grinder]

i couldnt agree more. this mosters got a lil outa hand lets rope it in and cut it down to size. get back to the heart of the project.

[Chaos Lord Horus]

great, i dont even understand the thread but....great

[Lord Commander Erus]

It's working fine actually. The arguments are going to happen no matter how your organize. You can't stop or control it! We have very opinionated people here!

And the honor guard of Ikarus will be contest won, we had decided that first off. The staff being Captains and other HQ choice, then the rest filling in with members as they step up.

[SteveBerenyi]

ok, but from what i can tell, we have a 9 companies with about 30 people all together.

i'm saying we shoud do the army list first from there and fluff afterwards.

[Drax]

just a thought, but rather than tackle the entire chapter in one go, what about each company at a time? and anyone who wishes to contribute may have a model in each company.

we can still include things like Cheif Librarian, Chapter Master, Techmarine etc, but unless you can convince 1k+ members to all submit 1 model, this project may just end up as an unfulfilled pipedream.

i know i went on about being a captain of the 6th since no one else was fulfilling it, but at the end of the day, i would still contribute a standard tactical marine if i was asked to!

[Lord Commander Erus]

That isn't too bad of an idea, but then again, it makes the project a little less special if everyone is in every company, imho. Though, it would probably work better than our current way. It's up to you guys.

[SteveBerenyi]

drax has the right of it. in all honesty i would rather be a tac marine than a captain if it meant that this would be an atainable goal.

it means little to me to have the captaincy of the 7th if in the end there is not an army to hold the 7th as a part.

[God_Grinder]

no erus its not, if the goal was to just make up our owne chapter,it would be fine, but thats not the over all goal. the goal was to build a playable army. you cant have an army made up of however many HQ squads we have. its not about the aguments thats just part of the fun, its about the goal. and its strayed.

[Lord Commander Erus]

Either way we do this, we won't get enough marines from the users to fill all the posts. This was something discussed between some of us, and accepted. But, as I said, it's up to you guys. I told you I had washed my hands of running it a while back, and I still have.

Celestial Guardian does have a say in this though, for all the effort he's put into it. And he has my full backing and support for whichever method he favors, strictly because whilst we all complained (myself included) about lack of organization, etc.. He was the only one to do something about it in any real way.

[God_Grinder]

dam i hate the lag lol my post comes like 5 mins after everyone elsess lol

[Lord Commander Erus]

All i'm really saying is goign Co. by Co., or doing the whole chapter, we're still not very likely to fill every post, even if we just worry about sergeants and veterans.

[SteveBerenyi]

you are correct that we will never fill every post erus, but my point was this:

If we disreguard the idea of doing a co or chapter entirely for now, we do have enough people to make an army.

and if we have that army we can build from there.

[Drax]

what about having a general sign up thread?

i know that was the intention of the "What Marine Model..." thread, but it seems like a few, myself included, got carried away.

No applications, no positions, no thoughts, simply a thread where anyone that wanted to be a part said a variation on "count me in", and nothing more, then at least you guys would have an initial idea of numbers without all the guff that comes with trying to jostle for a position

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

you are correct that we will never fill every post erus, but my point was this:

If we disreguard the idea of doing a co or chapter entirely for now, we do have enough people to make an army.

and if we have that army we can build from there.

So then... If we just do an army list, no companies or chapter.. In all honesty, you're willing to throw away a TON of hard work by everyone involved to to stop simple bickering that will STILL be there even if we just do that.

[Drax]

no one needs to throw away any hard work.

what about everyone that takes part contributes tactical marines or whatever for each company, and when we get to the company for which positions have already been granted, each person with a current position contributes their model relevent to their position?

[SteveBerenyi]

NOT AT ALL!

just if we have the army, it is playable and can be used.

the fluff and all is certainly important, and the positions are still valid.

for our background and all that, but my ideas include a condensed army from our fluff.

HQ's remain the same.
Elites: All of the positions that Baron has awarded to his veteran squads are still in effect, but all in 1 squad for the army.

My 7th has a 3 man squadron my jetbike (counts as a speeder) grinders speeder and mart's speeder

maybee my words are not as clear as the vision I have, but basically no matter what your post is you have an equivelant in the army.

[Lord Commander Erus]

I think Drax's Idea might work best... And then, for any positions NOT filled, we can give those away to people via contests, and in the end, just model them as the person in control of the company/honor guard wishes, and then later on down the road someone can take up the path of that model?

[Baron Spikey]

Im up for which ever way allows me to retain my Captain-ship, I've already brought the model(s) so I'd be pretty....annoyed if I was told I was now a Power-Armoured Sergeant...

[SteveBerenyi]

i think you are fine baron. we wont take away your termie spot

just thought i would try and kick this in the butt to push it forward towards more modeling

[Celestial Guardian]

Actually steve has got a good idea here guys.

What he's saying is that each of us has gotten carried away witht the project to where we are going for our own stuff exclusively. We have inadvertantly created a monster that is slowly taking a life of it's own and bleeding us dry. I know we will not get rid of the arguments. That's just human nature. But a one playable list is within our grasp.

Furthermore, maybe we just shouldn't name every single member of the chapter right now. It is driving some of us to resent the project due the the enormity of the task. Right now a playable list would be a very start while we hammer out everything else.

I myself only have 3 members in my squad and one other sergeant for the 8th. There is also a chaplain. We barely make one assault squad, but it is one assault squad that could be played right now. If we named every member on the board.

As far as recruiting and all goes, I agree. Let's put it on the back burner for a minute. We could hammer out all the other things if we were not as committed to this right now.

Steve, please begin construction of a playable list from what we have. I think we should not include member names with this list as yet. Everyone's current positions will hold. We can start recruiting again after we have taken care of the core of the project.

At the end of this week I will be taking the gathered information from the polls I set up and creating much of the background. Like Steve I am calling for sanity to the project. There is only so much we can vote on before we stall the whole thing, thus my decision to have some things voted and played with. I am taking al those ideas into consideration, but writing the story from the beginning to include those that do not contradict one another. Not everyone will like it or agree, and that's fine, but I believe this approach is necessary to the survival of the project.

For those opposed to this idea I have but one point to make. Any moderator could have stepped in and said, "This project is now mine." When that was done that mod would have done everything that we have voted on by himself. Then like the B&C an army would have been establishe with the rules and backgound that one person found the most desirable. We took a higher road and let much be voted that maybe a few mods could have done, and that was done in the spirit of these boards. Here we ask for opinons instead of just giving them. That is why we have our members. That is why we all come here. That is why this forum will survive. So when you look over everything when this project completes its infancy everyone can stand stand back and say, "I am a part of that" not "I'm downloading this pregenerated stuff from a site to paint my minis." Your ideas will be used and implemented.

Armylists are another topic we are currently taking into consideration. The thread I started for the each company's codex is to play that company as a whole only. When companies are mixed we will revert to the Space Marine Codex for play. I have alot of this written, but I am waiting for certain things to alos reach a completion point before posting them. We are alot ****her along than it looks like.

Monday December 3, 2007 I will post everything we have in one post. This post will have all our current progress and will not be open to discussion. These things will be set in stone for the sake of the project itself. The only alterations made will be due to a contradiction of GW established fluff. This post will not be completely conclusive due to the fact we have to gain a name and color scheme among other things. It will however, give us all a starting point to do what we wanted to do in the beginning. A way to have fun no matter what we choose. We all have to remember we started this to have fun. If we are not having fun, then the project itself is not worth the effeort we have put into it.

I hope you will support me in this decision.

[God_Grinder]

precisly robin! well said

[Lord Commander Erus]

And, yet again,. why I turned the helm to you.. Calm head no matter what. Much calmer than I.

[Templar Mikeel]

So, maybe first we should design a playable army list? Perhaps with several different point values? 1500 2000 2500 and Apocalypse.