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  • Take the Fight to Them
  • Eye to Eye
  • We Stand Alone



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Lord Crusader Adonis: 150 pts.
Lightning Claws, Jump Pack, Iron Halo


First Chaplain Antonious the Warp Slayer and the Council Guard: 360 Pts.
Master of Sanctity: Storm Bolter, Crozius Arcanum, Terminator Armor, Rosarius
Terminator Command Squad:
Sergeant: Power Weapon, Storm Bolter, Terminator Armor
Terminator (2x): Assault Cannon, Power Fist
Terminator: Power Fist, Storm Bolter
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Elites



Seneca, the Ancient of Rites: 143 pts.
Missile Launcher, Lascannon, Smoke Launchers, Extra Armor,




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Reya Scout Squad: 180 pts.
Scout Sergeant: Bolter & CCW
Scout(8x) Sniper Rifle
Scout: Missile Launcher

Tactical Squad (2x): 240 Pts.
Sergeant: Terminator Honors, Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol
Marine(2x): Plasma gun
Marine (7x) Bolter
Drop Pod

Tactical Squad(3x): 236 pts.
Sergeant: Terminator Honors, Power Fist, Plasma Pistol
Marine(2x): Flamer
Marine (7x) Bolt Pistol & CCW
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Fast Attack


Assault Squad(2x): 290 pts.
Sergeant: Jump Pack, Power Fist, Melta Boms, Plasma Pistol, Terminator Honors
Assault Marine(2x): Plasma Pistol & CCW, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs
Assault Marine (7x): Bolt Pistol & CCW, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs



Heavy Support



Devastator Squad: 270 pts.
Sergeant: Bolter & CCW
Devastator(3x): Lascannon
Devastator(1x): Heavy Bolter
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3000 pts. total. C&C welcome
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Ahh! Don't mix weapons in a devastator squad! At least, that's what I've always been told.

I assume the Lord Crusade will be flying with one of the Assault Squads?

You could get rid of the Smoke on the Dread if you wanted because if he uses it, he can't shoot. Which is a about all he does.

The scout squad sergeant is allowed to have a sniper rifle, if you wanted. Otherwise I'd say give him a Bolter so that if something gets in range he can help take it down with the rest of the ranged death in that squad. 8 sniper rifles is pretty scary.

Tac redundancy is good, and 10-marine squads are the way to go. Well done.

Assault marines look good, too.

Cool list! I'd love to see this many tooled-up marines on one table.
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I did drop the smokes on the dread, and gave the scout sergeant a sniper rifle. I would go forth a forth las or m.l., but I can not see where to drop points.
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I did drop the smokes on the dread, and gave the scout sergeant a sniper rifle. I would go forth a forth las or m.l., but I can not see where to drop points.
You could also drop the Heavy bolter and add other stuff. As for what, well, I don't know. You could give Adonis Termie Honours.
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You could also drop the Heavy bolter and add other stuff. As for what, well, I don't know. You could give Adonis Termie Honours.
1 pts. for one extra attack is a bit much though. I'll think on it..
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1 pts. for one extra attack is a bit much though. I'll think on it..
15 points is a lot, it's true, but that is an extra attack with lightning claws, so if they hit, which they have a reasonable chance of doing, they will most likely inflict another wound, given that you can re-roll to wound, and they are power weapons so no saves.

Re-alloting the points is tough, though... every unit already has everything it could need!
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Yea he couldnt of said it any better.

Anyways I do like the list the only thing that is really really bugging me is the Dev. Squad.

Seriously drop the lascannons and the heavy bolter and make them all missile launchers. You can switched between frag and krak so its that multi role that your trying to get. and having 4 of them you can surely do as much damage as you can with 3 lascannons plus think about the points!
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steelegioncpt is previewing it now, but I have updated the list.. You will all see it tomorrow.
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Lord Crusader Adonis: 380 pts.
Lightning Claws, Iron Halo
Command Squad:
Vet. Sarge: Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon, Termie Honors
Standard Bearer: Company Banner, Bolter, CCW
Apothecary: Narthecium & Reductor, Bolter & CCW
Space Marine(5x): Bolter
Space Marine: Plasma Gun
Drop Pod



First Chaplain Antonious the Warp Slayer: 135 Pts.

Master of Sanctity:Crozius Arcanum, Bolt Pistol, Rosarius, Jump Pack




Elites



Terminator Squad(3x): 270 pts.
Sergeant: Power Weapon, Storm Bolter
Terminator(2x): Assault Cannon, Power Fist
Terminator(2x): Power Fist, Storm Bolter




Troops


Tactical Squad (3x): 233 Pts.
Sergeant: Terminator Honors, Power Fist, Bolt Pistol, Narthecium & Reductor
Marine(2x): Plasma gun
Marine (5x) Bolter
Drop Pod

Tactical Squad(2x): 203 pts.
Sergeant: Terminator Honors, Power Fist, Bolt Pistol, Narthecium & Reductor
Marine(2x): Flamer
Marine (3x) Bolt Pistol & CCW
Drop Pod



Fast Attack


Assault Squad(3x): 290 pts.
Sergeant: Jump Pack, Power Fist, Bolt Pistol, Terminator Honors
Assault Marine(2x): Flamer, Jump Pack
Assault Marine (7x): Bolt Pistol & CCW, Jump Pack


3000 pts. total. C&C welcome

Note: I use this in a 'phalanx' tactica. I deploy the melta guys behind any armor, and advance them into obliterate it! The rest of the guys take and deploy in rows, with the three termie squads in a triangular formation with two plasma squads flanking the HQ and on the inside of termies, one behind. they advance phalanx style (they are a Roman themed army!), using the Apothecary sergeants and terminators to ensure minimal casualties, and the drop pods to provide stationary cover fire as well as precision landing (sorta). the assault squads will likely DS in behind enemy lines and slam into the ass end of the enemy. forcing two fronts was a famous roman tactic, and is a viable 40k one.
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Think about adding a combat shield to that Srgt in the Assault squad. It will add to fluff a bit and since he has a power fist he is always pickens in CC
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Think about adding a combat shield to that Srgt in the Assault squad. It will add to fluff a bit and since he has a power fist he is always pickens in CC
Hmm.. I could loose the standard bearer and that MIGHT gimme the points...
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I never understood giving models like a vet sergeant a combat shield. They can't be singled out in CC, can they?

The list looks good, though. Well done, Captain.
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