First Blood Angels/40k Army

[Jarrah]

Alright I normaly play Lotr but due to lack of opponents I have converted to 40k and bought some space marines and downloaded the blood angels codex and need help setting out an army list of about 1500 points so here is a rough one so far.

p.s my opponents are normaly chaos or tau


HQ Commander with ps and pp

Chaplin with jump pack

Elite

10 scouts 4 with bp and cw 4 sniper 1 heavy bolter and sarg with pw
(ill break these down with combat sqauds)

Troops

10 Tactical Marines 1 flamer sarg with pw and rhino

10 Assault marines 1 pp sarg pw and cs

Heavy support

10 Deavastator Marines 2 with las can 2 with plas can sareg with cw and pp

Im thinking of adding more assault marines or vet assault or honour just to get more death company. Any help would be much appreceated.

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by Jarrah

Alright I normaly play Lotr but due to lack of opponents I have converted to 40k and bought some space marines and downloaded the blood angels codex and need help setting out an army list of about 1500 points so here is a rough one so far.

p.s my opponents are normaly chaos or tau


HQ Commander with ps and pp

Chaplin with jump pack

Elite

10 scouts 4 with bp and cw 4 sniper 1 heavy bolter and sarg with pw
(ill break these down with combat sqauds)

Troops

10 Tactical Marines 1 flamer sarg with pw and rhino

10 Assault marines 1 pp sarg pw and cs

Heavy support

10 Deavastator Marines 2 with las can 2 with plas can sareg with cw and pp

Im thinking of adding more assault marines or vet assault or honour just to get more death company. Any help would be much appreceated.

Never talk Honor Guard.

Take Veteran Assault over normal assault anyday. Extra attack and options >>> assault marines.


IMO, I would take Chaplain Lemartes instead of the normal chaplain. Just about the same points i believe. Take out plasma pistols. they are a nice one shot wonder. Once you shoot em, then you close combat, its too much points wasted on it. Snipers... not my favorite but you can field em if ya like.


That list doesnt look like 1.5k pts... also take account of the cost of Death Company + Jetpacks. I would no matter what get a squad of 10x. They rip anything and are very durable.

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Ikarus

IMO, I would take Chaplain Lemartes instead of the normal chaplain. Just about the same points i believe. Take out plasma pistols. they are a nice one shot wonder. Once you shoot em, then you close combat, its too much points wasted on it. Snipers... not my favorite but you can field em if ya like.


That list doesnt look like 1.5k pts... also take account of the cost of Death Company + Jetpacks. I would no matter what get a squad of 10x. They rip anything and are very durable.

If nothing else, he has a few Death Co. waiting.

I'm a staunch Blood Angels supporter. And, if you want, i'll try to get you a sample list up by the end of the week working off what you lean towards in this list, and what I've seen and used.

If you have any restrictions (i.e. you bought model X so must use it) or have given certain weapons to certain things, please let me know!

And thank you for taking the time to join our forums and post. As i'm sure you'll notice eventually, we're very friendly and oriented to help!

Also.. Plasma Pistols are good for one thing: IC hunting, etc.. You'd be surprised, but reducing the IC to that lower invuln save and possibly shaving off that one precious wound can make or break the assault. I don't take them due to the 'Gets Hot!' rule, but there is nothing wrong with them. Just not my personal taste.

[Jarrah]

thanks for the input. yea I ment to use lemartes I think ill just use a chaplin model because the lemartes model is ugly. oh yea and the models I have so far are:

Mk 2 battle force

1 commander

1 command squad

1 devastater squad

1 assault squad

1 scout sniper squad

again thanks for the replies keep it up

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Jarrah

thanks for the input. yea I ment to use lemartes I think ill just use a chaplin model because the lemartes model is ugly. oh yea and the models I have so far are:

Mk 2 battle force

1 commander

1 command squad

1 devastater squad

1 assault squad

1 scout sniper squad

again thanks for the replies keep it up

I would give the command squad to the Chaplain, and give them jump packs (bits order). that will make for a MEAN honor guard. The command, kit out with storm bolter and power weapon and keep him with a tactical or dev squad where he is safe and boost the leader ship of your army. I'd give the assault squad some flamers and use them to help counter assault and thin lines with the flamers.

Just some preliminary ideas.

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Flamer-armed assault squads are indeed killer. I have a Tau-friend, and he absolutely hates flamers because he always has his nice firing lines so he can get maximum range and support from his Fire Warriors, but once the flamers get there, it's hell.

Don't put anything but the Death Company with the Chaplain! This means they will 1) stay under control and 2) get to re-roll attacks when they charge! With 4 rending attacks each on the charge, that is extremely nasty! Ikarus is right: take as many DC as you can. That said, for 1500 points, this might be difficult whilst keeping with a good amount of troops, fast attack and Heavy support. I try to always have at least 7 Death Company, and ALWAYS with Jump Packs. The 5 points each is well worth it.

I can't say I agree with Ikarus's philosophy of taking Veteran Assault Troops over normal Assault Troops either. It's not too much of a difference, but I tend to find that more models wins the day. However, the options are good, so including one isn't the worst thing ever. Honour Guard aren't (in my opinion) bad either.

I would get a Baal Predator as your next purchase (if you plan on expanding). It's a nasty tank, and can deal pretty effectively with both armour and infantry.

[experiment 626]

sadly IIRC, there's no more flamer option for regular BA assault squads - only veteran assault squads and the smaller honour guard squad can take a flamer.
still, it's just yet another reason to include a veteran assault squad!

i'd also throw a lascannon into that 10-man tactical squad and bump the rhino upto a razorback. swap the flamer for a meltagun and use the razorback's twin-linked heavy bolters for some crowd control.

also, you need a baal predator! those things are insanely good - especially with the heavy flamer sponsons as they can clear an amazing amount of enemies, and no one expects it either! (99.9% of BA players take the heavy bolters instead, but i've found that heavy flamer sponsons are even more deadly once they get into range...)

cheers!

[Lord Commander Erus]

I don't have the link favorited... But I seem to recall they could take flamers for normal assault squads.

[Jarrah]

Alright new list

HQ

Company Captain frag, krak, plasma pistol, power maul, iron halo. 130 point

Lemartes gurdian of the lost 125 points

Elite

5x death company with jump packs

5x veteran assault squad 1x flamer

5x veteran assault squad 1x flamer

10x scouts Sargent with power sword 4x bp cc 4x sniper rile 1x heavy bolter 195 points
(ill split these in combat squad bp and cc with Sarg and the ranged together)

Troops

10x Assault squad Sargent with pw cs and melta bombs 1x pp. 290 points

10x Tactical squad Sargeant with pw 1x flamer 210 points
(Im thinking of adding a multi melta just so they can take armor)

Heavy Support

10x Devastator squad Sarg with bolter 2x lascannon 2x plasma cannon 225 points

Total 1500 points

So what do you think I tried to get as many DC as possible and gave the VA's Flamers to deal with fire warriors. Your advise has been a great help all I need to do know is buy 3 more boxs of assault troop and my wallet is whimpering in fear just at the thought

[Lord Commander Erus]

Just talk to Ikarus. He can help alleviate the wallet. Believe me, I know. I only buy from him now, as I simply can't beat his prices!

BTW... What is th assault squad sagre loaded w/?

[Jarrah]

the Sargent has power weopon and combat shield. Would Ikarus sent items to Australia?

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Jarrah

the Sargent has power weopon and combat shield. Would Ikarus sent items to Australia?

If you pay the shipping, I think he'd send it to the moon. He's a good man.

I'd drop the combat shield on the sarge. A unit commander (UC) like a sergeant is hard enough to hit/single out. Taking the combat shield is minimal help to him really. It is cool for modeling, but I wouldn't give it to him wargear wise. You can have the bit on there w/ out the wargear, just make sure to inform your opponent. I'd take it if the points total were 2.5K+, but even then only if you have a few pts. to blow.

[experiment 626]

for now i'd combine those 2 veteran assault squads into 1 squad of say 6 or 8 men... this lets you take a few more options and add a power fist or two to the unit!
you can then make the 2 scout squads into 2 seperate units to keep that extra death company marine??? (can't recall if scouts let you take a death company marine or not...)

also, if you add a multi-melta to that tactical squad, add in a rhino or better yet a razorback and use the combat squads rule to so that both upgrades are always in use... (ie: if you shoot at a tank with that multi-melta, then the flamer is wasted!)

cheers!

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by experiment 626

for now i'd combine those 2 veteran assault squads into 1 squad of say 6 or 8 men... this lets you take a few more options and add a power fist or two to the unit!
you can then make the 2 scout squads into 2 seperate units to keep that extra death company marine??? (can't recall if scouts let you take a death company marine or not...)

also, if you add a multi-melta to that tactical squad, add in a rhino or better yet a razorback and use the combat squads rule to so that both upgrades are always in use... (ie: if you shoot at a tank with that multi-melta, then the flamer is wasted!)

cheers!

Unfortunately, the scouts don't count toward the DC. Makes sense fluff-wise though.

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Inquisitor Rosenadel

Unfortunately, the scouts don't count toward the DC. Makes sense fluff-wise though.

ah, i had a feeling they might not...

still, for the loss of 1 death company marine, i'd still make 1 big veteran assault squad and give them a few mor options. if you want them to hld their own, they'll need a power toy at the very least. a power fist is best and a pair of lightning claws is also a great buy!

cheers!

[themandalorian]

Woot another new BA player

Those baal's look so cool!