In need of some help. - 40K Terra

Grix · 10-31-2007

Well I just bough a "Space Marine Company." I now have a small problem, what chapter to field!!! At first I wanted to make them Ultra Marines. But the more and more I read the SM codex as it stands is pretty overpowered and will be put in check in the near future. Im pretty sure I can still assemble them and just hold of painting till further news arrives about the next imperial codex. Or I could work on making my DIY Chapter and hope the SM Trait rules dont get hit too hard with the nerf bat.

What I would like is your opinion on this matter and if you have a chapter in mind I could research I would be in you debt. The Chapter would have to be fit the following profile:

-Loyalist
-Drop Pod Friendly
-Troop Heavy

3:1 ratio troops to heavy support, being that it is a troop heavy army I plan to make Dreadnoughts a big part of my army. Think QRF type. Thank fellow 40kTerra followers.

Mart007 · 10-31-2007

Don't worry about the overpowered thing - Marines will always be that.

If your heart lies with Ultra SMurfs, do them, Blue is a good colour to paint.

I always say choose an army on looks and fluff, the army list will sort itself out. You dont want to lustfully be looking at an Ultra Marine army thinking "why didnt I do that".

And besides rumour wise it'll be a while before Marines get a redux, they may not get one until the next lot of rules.

God_Grinder · 10-31-2007

yeah i have to agree with mart if you like the feel and look of smurfs i would go with them, or if you want alil of your own flavor you could to a smurf succesor chaptor.

experiment 626 · 10-31-2007

look towards the new dark/blood angel codicies as a rough guide as to how the marine codex itself will look... (ie: 'combat squads' & no min/maxing!)

as for what chapter? well, the ravenguard are pretty troop heavy in that they have few tanks - just loads of tactical, devastator & assault marines, along with plenty of scouts!

or else, the imperial fists. again, they tend to field lots of bodies where possible, but favour more devastator squads...

crimson fists have tactical squads, but few other assets since the disatrous rynn's world incident. they also look quite good too with the deeper blue armour & dark red gauntlets!

if you like lots of dreads then look to the iron hands and their successor chapters! you can make a pretty stonking army with just tactical squads + 6 dreadnoughts!

hope this helps,
cheers!

wolfpack · 10-31-2007

OK I missed something...a redux on the SM dex?...

I would say go for your own chapter as it were...if the traits get a smack down you can simply rework them without having to rewrok your entire army ( as I have had to to twice now)...and blue is such a peaceful color....LMAO

Templar Mikeel · 10-31-2007

Go for the coolest chapter, in your opinion that is. If you want an idea for a combat drop oriented army, you could field the Star Phantoms, who led the drop assault on Huron Blackhearts fortress.

Vishnoff · 10-31-2007

I would say do a custom chapter. I think it would be more fulfilling to fully fluff out my own diy chapter than take the ball GW had passed you (ultramarines, imperial fist, etc.). But hey thats just me.

Grix · 11-01-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

Go for the coolest chapter, in your opinion that is. If you want an idea for a combat drop oriented army, you could field the Star Phantoms, who led the drop assault on Huron Blackhearts fortress.

Sounds interesting. Do you know where I could read up a bit more about the Star Phantoms?

Mart007 · 11-01-2007

Quote:

OK I missed something...a redux on the SM dex?...

there was a rumour (pretty strong one) about a year ago that SM were getting a redux after orks and Chaos, but Gav Thorpe has quashed it now.

masterofweirdness · 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Mart007

there was a rumour (pretty strong one) about a year ago that SM were getting a redux after orks and Chaos, but Gav Thorpe has quashed it now.

He did?

From what I heard, it was all confirmed that Summer 09 the codex was going to be Codex:Space Marines.

Mart007 · 11-01-2007

Havent seen the 09 rumour. He pretty much said there wasnt going to be a SM update as they were updating the other armies. Though this was all a while ago, so u turns may have been made.

[Dark Eldar are a strong contender for 2009] though they do release two in a year.

experiment 626 · 11-01-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart007

there was a rumour (pretty strong one) about a year ago that SM were getting a redux after orks and Chaos, but Gav Thorpe has quashed it now.

the studio is simply trying to cover the collective arses about just how bad a failure the current space marine codex is... still though, the plans to do a 'quick and dirty' re-do have be put back a bit. (it was slated for summer '08, but now there's that tasty new daemon book!)
still, it will come and smurf players aren't going to like it one bit! (traits if they do stay, will work very, very differently!)

back on topic though, try a general search for 'captain stern's index astartes' website. he has a bit of info on pretty much any chapter GW has named through the years!

cheers!

Templar Mikeel · 11-01-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grix

Sounds interesting. Do you know where I could read up a bit more about the Star Phantoms?

Codex: Cities of Death.

Lord Commander Erus · 11-01-2007

Hmmm.. With Iron Hands, via a loop hole, you can field 6... VENERABLE dreads.

I would wait however, for the new Forgeworld Imperial Armor, the one for Apocalypse. It has a formation/data sheet for a full SM drop pod force (of god.. There goes the size of the black saints again!!!!).

Grix · 11-03-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

Codex: Cities of Death.

Sadly I was looking for more but only found a couple paragraph's that vaguely describes a mass drop pod and close quarter fighting that the Star Phantom's participated. Any ideas of where the gene-seed derived from? If they were a founding chapter or a successor? Who their Primarch originally was?

Stubber · 11-03-2007

This is all I can find on the Star Phantoms.

Quote:

Star Phantoms
The Star Phantoms participated in the Badab War. This Chapter was responsible for the final assault which ended the Badab War. Over five hundred marines assaulted the palace, and during the assault, crippled Huron Blackheart. The Cities of Death expansion book claims Captain Androcles of the Star Phantoms wounded him with a combi-melta in an ambush, although other sources claim this was an orbital bombardment...wikipedia

Lord Commander Erus · 11-03-2007

Seems like you'd have a lot of leeway in setting up the force, but you also have a fairly solid background too!

Grix · 11-03-2007

Seeing as it would be a SM Chapter who specialized in drop pod assaults. I was thinking of using one of the following 2 options of traits:

Heed the wisdom of the Ancients and Have pride in your colors

or

Heed the wisdom of the Ancients, Cleanse and Purify, Eye to Eye and Have pride in your colors.

Both combinations I believe fit the profile in my opinion. What is everyone's overall opinion here?

Stubber · 11-03-2007

Both look good.
Now all you have to do is decide on a colour scheme.

Lord Commander Erus · 11-03-2007

I'd go with the second. Plasma Cannon + Plasma Gun = death! BTW... If you need drop pods, send me a PM, I can help you there.

10-31-2007	#1 (permalink)
Grix Trooper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	In need of some help. Well I just bough a "Space Marine Company." I now have a small problem, what chapter to field!!! At first I wanted to make them Ultra Marines. But the more and more I read the SM codex as it stands is pretty overpowered and will be put in check in the near future. Im pretty sure I can still assemble them and just hold of painting till further news arrives about the next imperial codex. Or I could work on making my DIY Chapter and hope the SM Trait rules dont get hit too hard with the nerf bat. What I would like is your opinion on this matter and if you have a chapter in mind I could research I would be in you debt. The Chapter would have to be fit the following profile: -Loyalist -Drop Pod Friendly -Troop Heavy 3:1 ratio troops to heavy support, being that it is a troop heavy army I plan to make Dreadnoughts a big part of my army. Think QRF type. Thank fellow 40kTerra followers.

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God_Grinder Adeptus Arbrites Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socal Posts: 315 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 3 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	yeah i have to agree with mart if you like the feel and look of smurfs i would go with them, or if you want alil of your own flavor you could to a smurf succesor chaptor. __________________ Let the galaxy be illuminated, As it burns!!! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	look towards the new dark/blood angel codicies as a rough guide as to how the marine codex itself will look... (ie: 'combat squads' & no min/maxing!) as for what chapter? well, the ravenguard are pretty troop heavy in that they have few tanks - just loads of tactical, devastator & assault marines, along with plenty of scouts! or else, the imperial fists. again, they tend to field lots of bodies where possible, but favour more devastator squads... crimson fists have tactical squads, but few other assets since the disatrous rynn's world incident. they also look quite good too with the deeper blue armour & dark red gauntlets! if you like lots of dreads then look to the iron hands and their successor chapters! you can make a pretty stonking army with just tactical squads + 6 dreadnoughts! hope this helps, cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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wolfpack The Great Wolf Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BFE Kentucky Posts: 2,241 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 42 Thanked 61 Times in 51 Posts	OK I missed something...a redux on the SM dex?... I would say go for your own chapter as it were...if the traits get a smack down you can simply rework them without having to rewrok your entire army ( as I have had to to twice now)...and blue is such a peaceful color....LMAO __________________ I am Wolfpack, my fangs are long, my hair grey with age...I am The Great Wolf...I fight with bolter and Axe, my armies vast, my word final. A true son of Russ, my honor above all, I hunt the heretic, the xenos, and the witch and slay them where they stand! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. My sons hunt our enemies, slay them where they falter and bring their pelts to Fenris To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Templar Mikeel Major Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,779 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 217 Thanked 156 Times in 97 Posts	Go for the coolest chapter, in your opinion that is. If you want an idea for a combat drop oriented army, you could field the Star Phantoms, who led the drop assault on Huron Blackhearts fortress. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Don't To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. the Killer! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Mart007 Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,025 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 105 Thanked 83 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Don't worry about the overpowered thing - Marines will always be that. If your heart lies with Ultra SMurfs, do them, Blue is a good colour to paint. I always say choose an army on looks and fluff, the army list will sort itself out. You dont want to lustfully be looking at an Ultra Marine army thinking "why didnt I do that". And besides rumour wise it'll be a while before Marines get a redux, they may not get one until the next lot of rules.

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Vishnoff Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 117 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would say do a custom chapter. I think it would be more fulfilling to fully fluff out my own diy chapter than take the ball GW had passed you (ultramarines, imperial fist, etc.). But hey thats just me. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Mart007 Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,025 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 105 Thanked 83 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Havent seen the 09 rumour. He pretty much said there wasnt going to be a SM update as they were updating the other armies. Though this was all a while ago, so u turns may have been made. [Dark Eldar are a strong contender for 2009] though they do release two in a year. Last edited by Mart007; 11-01-2007 at 06:02 AM.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,325 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Hmmm.. With Iron Hands, via a loop hole, you can field 6... VENERABLE dreads. I would wait however, for the new Forgeworld Imperial Armor, the one for Apocalypse. It has a formation/data sheet for a full SM drop pod force (of god.. There goes the size of the black saints again!!!!). __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,325 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Seems like you'd have a lot of leeway in setting up the force, but you also have a fairly solid background too! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Grix Trooper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Seeing as it would be a SM Chapter who specialized in drop pod assaults. I was thinking of using one of the following 2 options of traits: Heed the wisdom of the Ancients and Have pride in your colors or Heed the wisdom of the Ancients, Cleanse and Purify, Eye to Eye and Have pride in your colors. Both combinations I believe fit the profile in my opinion. What is everyone's overall opinion here?

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Stubber Confused and Enraged Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South-east Ireland Posts: 965 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Both look good. Now all you have to do is decide on a colour scheme. __________________ The thing that inspires men to kill is Hatred. -Sun Tzu To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Vote On The Battlefield: For any concerned I'll be online much more often once exams end friday 23rd.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,325 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	I'd go with the second. Plasma Cannon + Plasma Gun = death! BTW... If you need drop pods, send me a PM, I can help you there. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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