new army list: 800 points, just trying it out

[r4wr89]

okay, i realize that 800 points is nothing, i really do. i just wanted to write up a list and get a feel for a divergent army like this one:

chapter traits:
heed the wisdom of the ancients [dreads in DPs to come later]
be swift as the wind

drawbacks:
flesh over steel, have faith in suspicion

HQ:
captain on-a-bike, power fist & bolt pistol
HQ Total: 116

troops:
bike squad 1: [5 bikes, one attack bike]
plasmagun
attack bike with HB
total: 220

bike squad 2: [5 bikes, 1 attack bike]
plasmagun
attack bike with HB
total: 220

scout squad 1: 8 scouts
HB
total: 109

scout squad 2: 8 scouts
HB
total: 109

TROOPS TOTAL: 658

fast attack:
land speeder tornado
multi-melta/flamer
total: 75

FAST ATTACK TOTAL: 75

799 points.
16 scouts
11 bikes, 2 attack bikes
1 land speeder


thoughts? ideas? again, this is just a test list to get my army list juices flowing, lol.

and by the way, i'm pretty sure i'll take this army after marines. i've considered several IG armies, iron warriors, night lords, alpha legion, lysanderwing, and even black templars but for me, nothing beats DIY marines...lol :]
-ant

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

You should paint the Cpatain black and white and have a fair young maiden ride on the back...

Anyway, this looks interesting. Close-ranged tank-busting. I would make the scouts your support units. Take out two in each squad and grab sniper rifles or heavy bolters or something like that. Maybe one with snipers and one with H bolter?

[masterofweirdness]

800 points... no offense, but why that number?

Anyways, the only thing I can see, is you need to drop the P. fist on the captain... get a power weapon instead. P. fists are MADE for vet. sarges, or perhaps a Chaplain.

Numbers are a problem, but then again, its a bike army...

And I agree on the need for sniper scouts... aswome unit... especially against MCs.

[r4wr89]

Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

800 points... no offense, but why that number?

Anyways, the only thing I can see, is you need to drop the P. fist on the captain... get a power weapon instead. P. fists are MADE for vet. sarges, or perhaps a Chaplain.

Numbers are a problem, but then again, its a bike army...

And I agree on the need for sniper scouts... aswome unit... especially against MCs.

lol..well 500 points was too small, and 1000 points seemed like a huge commitment. 800 points let me put in the elements i wanted to without having too many excess points. don't worry. i'm pretty sure this army will actually go somewhere, and by that i mean i'll buy convert and paint [and maybe play...] this.


as for numbers, i'm trying to fill out with scouts and maybe a vet squad, because both of them can infiltrate [and that goes along quite nicely with my chapter fluff...lots of infiltrators, everywhere..haha]

scouts for now are going to be meat shields [even though according to chapter fluff they, like space wolf scouts, are revered as master scouters] while i turbo boost up to the front lines. the scouts will also [hopefully] whittle down infantry squads while before bikes can get there, so the bikes won't be utterly torn apart so fast.

hmm...maybe i'll just add in the last 200 points, to make it a 1000 point army...hmm...excuse me while i think about potential units :]
-ant

Not a bad start.. But what about the advantage that would let you take scout bikers? I wouldn't take it, as I like my 6 man scout squad w/ 5 snipers and rocket launcher, but yours might benefit from it.Other than that, only a termie or vet. sarge, or an IC with a beefy retinue, has buisness taking a powet fist. Lightning claw or power weapon is my suggestion!

[r4wr89]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Not a bad start.. But what about the advantage that would let you take scout bikers? I wouldn't take it, as I like my 6 man scout squad w/ 5 snipers and rocket launcher, but yours might benefit from it.Other than that, only a termie or vet. sarge, or an IC with a beefy retinue, has buisness taking a powet fist. Lightning claw or power weapon is my suggestion!

hmm..i don't remember a trait allowing scout bikes as troops, i'll look again. i will for sure change the p fist, at least to a power weapon [if not lightning claws!]
i'll also consider the scout squad with 5 snipers and missile launcher. we'll see though, we'll see..haha
thanks all :]
-ant

[r4wr89]

oh yea. and so i'm wondering...lightning claws on a biker? doesn't that seem kind of awkward? any ideas on how to model this? i have thought of attachments on the sides of bikes to hold lightning claws, and whenever the commander needs them he can just reach his hands in like gloves or something..eh?

i'm still thinking about what to put in to boost the list up to 1000 :]
-ant

[r4wr89]

this, my friends, is the tentative list of 1000 points of the divergent chapter :]

chapter traits:
heed the wisdom of the ancients [dreads in DPs to come later]
be swift as the wind

drawbacks:
flesh over steel, have faith in suspicion

HQ:
captain-on-a-bike, pair of claws & frags
HQ Total: 121

troops:
bike squad 1: [5 bikes, one attack bike]
plasmagun
attack bike with HB
total: 220

bike squad 2: [5 bikes, 1 attack bike]
plasmagun
attack bike with HB
total: 220

scout squad 1: 8 scouts
HB
total: 109

scout squad 2: 8 scouts
HB
total: 109

TROOPS TOTAL: 658

fast attack:
land speeder tornado
multi-melta/flamer
total: 75

scout bike squad 1: 4 bikes
100 points

scout bike squad 2: 4 bikes
100 points

FAST ATTACK TOTAL: 275

1004 points.
16 scouts
19 bikes [including scouts & HQ], 2 attack bikes
1 land speeder


if you noticed, i also changed the power fist to lightning claws, so now
tell me what you think! i had to resist the temptation [and dang it was a strong one...] to give my commander a thunder hammer. sheesh those things look amazing, but i prevailed, and now he's got claws...haha

thanks again :]
-ant

[r4wr89]

lol, uh, bump? as soon as somebody comments i'll use this post to respond, fear not. i am not making empty posts...haha
:]
-ant

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by r4wr89

oh yea. and so i'm wondering...lightning claws on a biker? doesn't that seem kind of awkward? any ideas on how to model this? i have thought of attachments on the sides of bikes to hold lightning claws, and whenever the commander needs them he can just reach his hands in like gloves or something..eh?

i'm still thinking about what to put in to boost the list up to 1000 :]
-ant

I think you should make it wolverine style, and they slide out of a sheath! But that's probably hard...

This is a really cool list, so there's not much I have to say. I would advise, however, perhaps pinga scout bike squad to give at least one unit of scouts sniper rifles, but that's your call. If they're going to have a HB, I think you should try to make all their ranges the same.

[Brother_Ambrose]

Why not paint your army black and play ravenwing? I think it would suit your style. And you wouldn't need those pesky scouts. I'd also recomend making your tornado a HB/AC speeder as it is just plain better. You probably have the leftovers anyway.

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

Why not paint your army black and play ravenwing? I think it would suit your style. And you wouldn't need those pesky scouts. I'd also recomend making your tornado a HB/AC speeder as it is just plain better. You probably have the leftovers anyway.

Ravenwing are cool and all, but everyone is going to be playing Dark Angels. Making your own chapter is more fun anyway. I think you should stick to it. Not trying to be argumentative, and I'll probably be doing Dark Angels of one form or another at some point, but yeah. You get major creativity points if you have a custom chapter.

[Brother_Ambrose]

I hope everyone doesn't start playing DA. I used to think I was kinda unique since I didn't know any other DA players. I think I'm still one of, if not the only DA player on this board...

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

I hope everyone doesn't start playing DA. I used to think I was kinda unique since I didn't know any other DA players. I think I'm still one of, if not the only DA player on this board...

I would have to agree. But whenever a new codex comes out, people will gravitate towards it. Who knows? Maybe this time it'll stay as an elite brotherhood.

I just noticed that you have "Heed the Wisdom of the Ancients". I don't think dreads fit well with the theme... perhaps just take that out so you don't have as many drawbacks. You could choose a different minor drawback and then add a Librarian later. Or just keep it and add a Chaplain!

[r4wr89]

well, to answer all of the above, i don't like ravenwing that much. i feel that it's too restrictive, and plus i'd need to get the DA codex..haha

the reason i have the army set up with heed the wisdom of the ancients is because i wanted the dreads to be remains of my chapter, half of which was completely decimated.

my chapter also functions in a way similar to DA, as part of the chapter is infantry only [for initiates & vets to train together] while other companies are bikes/fast attack.

the remnants of my decimated company are reformed into new companies while the barely surviving and still willing/able to fight are put into dreads, that's why i have the dreads.

while the list, in game terms is different from my all infantry chapter [which has see but don't be seen and cleanse & purify, as well as flesh over steel and have faith in suspicion]
but in terms of appearance it is the same, as the scouts and any other infantry will still infiltrate, which is central to my chapter's fluff.

and i think people really do go for new codices. lol when tau came out...dang i'd never seen so many devilfishes in my life. haha

yea.
:]

-ant