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Ok I understand the first part of the trait, but the second part is what is confusing me.

"amend the points cost for terminator armor to 25/15. this means that single wound models can be given terminator armor"

do i take this to mean that if i were to say give a sergent terminator honors i could then give him terminator armor???

and weapons???

anyone have an awnser?
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thats exactly what it means independent characters(multi-wound) get it for XXpts and UCs get it for the other price.
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Its a trait attempt to capture the Iron Hands...

Terminator squad leaders are kind of useless IMO...But the Lead by a Techmarine is pretty cool and its got nice fluff potential
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i'm doing it. right this second. my list will be up shortly.
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So then this would be a legal list?
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Techmarine Upgraded - 170 pts
HQ Upgrade, Servo Harness, Bionics

Technical Servitor x 3
Gun Servitor
Heavy Bolter
Razorback Transport - 70pts

Elite

Terminator Assualt Squad - 400 PTS
10 Termies w/ Lightning Claws

Terminator Squad - 440 pts
Termies x 10
Heavy Flamer x2, Chainfist x4

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Scout Squad - 188 pts
9 Scouts Bolt Pistol / CCW
Sergent in Terminator Armor w/ Lightning Claws

Scout Squad - 188 pts
9 Scouts Bolt Pistol / CCW
Sergent in Terminator Armor w/ Lightning Claws

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Predator Destructor - 149
Heavy Bolter Sponsoons, Extra Armor, Power of the Machine Spirit, Smoke Launchers, Search Light

Predator Destructor - 149
Heavy Bolter Sponsoons, Extra Armor, Power of the Machine Spirit, Smoke Launchers, Searchlight

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hey steve i think your list is not legal
my understanding is that a command squad must be lead by the IC
since he is mounted in a razerback its not possible for him to have a term command squad
i think just moving them to an elite choice will fix this
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Thanks.
that should do it.
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that should do it
very fast
very strong
I like it
if you had extra points for telehomer
it would be a pin point assault force
very nasty
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Think it would be worth it to drop the Bionics off the Techmarine and take a homer?

I think that would be a much better idea...
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hey steve i think your list is not legal
my understanding is that a command squad must be lead by the IC
since he is mounted in a razerback its not possible for him to have a term command squad
i think just moving them to an elite choice will fix this
HE's right.. However, I always do this when concerned with Scions (and yes, this is legal via a call in, write/email in, and asking at a tourney.. don't even go there folks)

Techmarine: Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon, Servo-Harness(Twin-Linked Plasma Pistol, Flamer, Servo Arm x2), Frag Grenades, Signum, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Terminator Honors

This lets him move as jump infantry, have a 2+/4+, fire a twin linked plasma pistol and flamer, or swap one of the two harness weapons out for bolt pistol.

The signum lets him and the assault squad (with dual plasma pistols usually) to re-roll one missed to hit shooting roll for the Techmarine or any squad that the Techmarine belongs to or has joined.

He has base attack of 5. + 1 for charging equals six. Then the two servo arm generate TWO power fists attacks separate of the tech-marine.

All in all, 8 attacks. 6 power weapon, 2 power fist, twin linked plasma pistol and a bolt pistol or flamer... Take an elite tech

Elite Tech Marine: Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon, Servo-Harness, Auspex, Frag Grenades, Signum, 1x Gun Servitor(Heavy Bolter), 3x Tech-Servitor, 1x Razorback(Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launcher).

A perfect, and insanely powerful jump infantry tech marine who can slaughter terminator squads or repair that dreadnought!


And the Elite tech marine to back him up, who can still kick some major ass, but has a horde of tech servitors to give him a DAMNED nice c hance of repairing things.
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keep in mind though your scouts led by that termie sergeant will no longer be able to infiltrate!

and to really hammer home to point about just how silly you can be with the 'sicons' trait, it's perfectly legal to have a termie sergeant w/sniper rifle who can move & fire?!!
sure it would be a cool conversion and all, but it just goes to show you how stupidly broken the marine codex really is! (ie; it's a prime example of why the 2 authors who wrote the 'dex are no longer games designers!)

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It`s a shame they can`t infiltrate with a termie sarge in their squad.... but it eas reasonable.


Of ballance, why must you spoil all those crazy ideas?!?
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haha how broken ? none of the marine players are complaining of any brokenness, in either definition of the word ! :P
i really want to make a jump packing techmarine..hmm...now, to hunt out the bits... better use him while the 4th ed codex is still around ! :] thanks for the inspiration guys..haha
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haha how broken ? none of the marine players are complaining of any brokenness, in either definition of the word ! :P
i really want to make a jump packing techmarine..hmm...now, to hunt out the bits... better use him while the 4th ed codex is still around ! :] thanks for the inspiration guys..haha
well, you have about half a year or so to have some more fun with the horribly writen and oh-so-easily abusable smurf 'dex!

afterwards, well, you'll have a much more balanced book to work with...

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6 months is plenty of time to have fun...oooooh plently :] haha. and that coincides with summer too, so lots of us can get on that..quick ! take advantage my fellow marine players !
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keep in mind though your scouts led by that termie sergeant will no longer be able to infiltrate!

and to really hammer home to point about just how silly you can be with the 'sicons' trait, it's perfectly legal to have a termie sergeant w/sniper rifle who can move & fire?!!
sure it would be a cool conversion and all, but it just goes to show you how stupidly broken the marine codex really is! (ie; it's a prime example of why the 2 authors who wrote the 'dex are no longer games designers!)

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I wouldn't say totally broken... there are just a few bits (primarly the traits...) that need to be totally redone. Of all of those, Scions of Mars is perhaps the most broken... I have this feeling that the CSM Codex was far worse... as I didn't here about that much messed up stuff in the SM codex.

Of course, by far the worst is the fact that Terminators don't actually wear terminator armor by the letter of the law... which is umm... *restains self* crap.
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I wouldn't say totally broken... there are just a few bits (primarly the traits...) that need to be totally redone. Of all of those, Scions of Mars is perhaps the most broken... I have this feeling that the CSM Codex was far worse... as I didn't here about that much messed up stuff in the SM codex.

Of course, by far the worst is the fact that Terminators don't actually wear terminator armor by the letter of the law... which is umm... *restains self* crap.
ass-cans are dumb as they are right now... no ranged weapon should ever have 'rending'! even if they cost 100pts, it's still to dumb!!! (an anti-infantry gun that can kill a land raider??!)

the traits system is silly as there's only 1 real 'disavantageous' trait being the 'aspire to glory', which 99.9% of marine players don't take!
that and the whole min/maxing with foolishly cheap tactical squads is annoying...

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Broken is codex nids.

Every special rule outside of they shall know no fear.
Without number for troops.

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