Space Marines VS Imperial Guard

[Steellegioncpt]

WAR!

Heresy is on the rise more then in the previous one! Political Talk have broken down, and it is our duty to contain and brutally cripple the UNCLEAN Mankind before they overwhelm our superiority!

Consider Things like:
Orbital Bombardments
Thunderhawk Gunships
Space Marine Battlebarges
Terminators!

etc...

Do not consider Alien intervention I.E. Chaos Space Marines, NIds, Orks etc..

ALso think about the Inquisition Sisters of Battle, and Deamonhunters

My take is that the SOBs would side with Guard while the DH would side with SM

Have fun and run with it

Peter

[Rellik]

i think the IG would get crushed! granted they have numbers but with all around skill, and technology. the IG IMO would stand no chance.

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by kenshin620

Which side gets the Adeptus Mechanicus?

They would probably be divided. IG keeps their Enginseers while Techmarines will still have their Space Marines

As for Titans I would say IG but i dunno

[Lord Commander Erus]

The Legio Titanicus would likely splinter in pieces. Thoug hi see the lighter variant titans going to the IG, and the older Imperators going to SM just because of past experiences.

[TheKiller333]

Hmm.. I'd say IG hands down if the Navy sided with them. They'd have such numbers they could overwhelm the Marines 10000000000000000000:1000000

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by TheKiller333

Hmm.. I'd say IG hands down if the Navy sided with them. They'd have such numbers they could overwhelm the Marines 10000000000000000000:1000000

If this happened all the Crusading and radical chapters woudl come out of the wood works, the 13th Co. wouldn't be hiding anymore.. And who says the SM would follow the strictures on size any longer?

With the High Lords mos tlikely backing the IG because they have no real control over SM, the SM would (in most cases) say '**** you Codex' and swell their numbers. This war wouldn't end quickly. And by the time the IG could feasibly have any kind of upper hand, the SM could fast approach their numbers.

Remember... Back in the elder days they used clones and vat grown specimens for marines.. They can do so again.

[Steellegioncpt]

Tactically Speaking,

I think that Imperial Guard can hold down, and fortify more and better. I.E. forts, hive cities ect.. but SM would win open assaults raids and such

[Lord_Tyrion]

Space Marines FTW!

Space Marines are hard as nails, and they have far more clout polititally than Imperial Guard. Numbers can be swelled and Fluff Wise a Space Marine could easily take on 10 IG each without a scratch anyway. Not to mention Legions of Vehicles, Titans, and most likely the best part of the whole Inquisition (GK and Deathwatch would fight for SM as a minimum).

Numbers count for alot, but bear in mind the Imperial Guard is a MASSIVE organisation and totally spread out. A Chapter of Space Marines could take IG held worlds one at a time - th SM wouldn't have to face everyone at once.

Space Marines, i salute you

[kenshin620]

What about the Custodes? (why am I repeating myself)

[Lord_Tyrion]

Custodes would probably go SM, since they have more in common with them (gentically enhanced, and effectively immortal age wise). However, i bet they just follow whoever the Administratum decide to back.

[Perturabo]

As said above

If it came to it and the Space Marines were fighting for their existance the Codex would go out of the window and the Legions would reform-many of the old Legions only became Chapters under protest and to keep the peace.

Are we considering the use of Nukes and Viral Weapons?

[SSGBIGFOOT]

I also think many more marines would fall to Chaos. When you feel abandoned you can tend to take a dark side.

[Wakim]

You know that bit of tactic that involves teleporting termies directly in the enemy HQ?

My vote goes to SM

Commando action > attrition war anyday

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by SSGBIGFOOT

I also think many more marines would fall to Chaos. When you feel abandoned you can tend to take a dark side.

Nah cant consider Chaos, read my rules. theres are marines and they never use chaos or ask for chaos etc..

Nor can the Guard call upon the Tau and what not

[Ichor]

To save time, I'll post my previous arguments.

Note that many Space Marines do come form death worlds. And the marines from ultramar have no ties with families. In fact, the only chapter that DOES have family ties is the Salamanders, and even then, those are just adopted families.

If they never turned traitor, then we'd never had chpaters. then we'd have only 200,000 marines.
Chapters were only created so that a rebellion like the Horus Heresy would never happen on such a large scale. Although the Ultramarines Legion was large, keep in mind that the chapters after the second founding were not the same ones from the legions.

How would the marines gain an advantage? In fact, I think the longer a battle lasts, the more of an advantage the IG has as the Space Marines resources drop down because of the sheer battle of attrition they have to win.
Also, a Space Marine may be worth ten Guardsmen, but 1,000,000,000,000 Imperial Guardsmen > 1,000,000 Space Marines

Originally Posted by Warmaster Romulas there is no way there is more baneblades than terminator armour
the first company of every chapter is the veteran company with 50-100 suit of terminator armour
hell the space wolves alone have roughly 240 suits (12 companies with 20 per) at their disposal alone
the terminator armour is more resilent in fluff terms
and the thunderhawk GUNSHIP is a more than capable space fighter one of the best in the imperium matter of fact [/i]

Yet baneblades will easily destroy Terminators. I don't care if a one of them got stomped on by a titan and lived. But to bear two heavy bolters, an autocannon, two lascannons, a demolisher cannon AND a baneblade cannon on them, that's definetly a kill. Where did you get the information that there are more suits of terminator armour than baneblades? You do realize that there are many, many, Super Heavy regiments right? Also if I was a Space Marine, I'd be envios of The Guard's tanks. Do Space Marines get Volcano Cannons? Plasma Blastaguns? Hellhamers?


There are twenty super heavies in a regiment. You underestimate the morale of Guardsmen. Death Korps, Cadia, Valhalla, and many others are full of courageos and quite fanatical Guardsmen.
For the Space Marines, fighting the Guard is to remove a grain of sand from a beach one at a time. Wtih a grain of sand being an entire regiment, for the are BILLIONS of regiments.

Space Marines also need food and water. Despite being able to go without it for quite a while, they'll eventually die out if they don't.

Without the Guard, the Imperium will collapse. Who will protect all the worlds? Who had participated in Lord Macharius's glorius crusades? Who is sacraficing millions of lives evey day?

The size of the Galaxy is much more suited to the IG. They can suastain an attack alot longer than marines can. We're not talking about a few squads needing food. We're talking open, full on war between the Guard and the Marines. The IG Simlpy control too many worlds. Captured a few worlds? Boo hoo. We have 1,934,344 more form where that came from.


There are billions of regiments due to that there are millions of imperial worlds, each having thousands of regiments active at a time. Though marines can eat almost anything, this doesn't mean it always sustains them. The Gaurd's stregnth lies in its numbers. Space Marines can't hope to kill trillions of them. You keep mentioning about supplies. There are too many industrial, agricultural, etc. worlds to conquer. Undoubtedly, if the Guard learn the Marines were specifically targeting their worlds, they'd more heavily fortify them.

[Ichor]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

If this happened all the Crusading and radical chapters woudl come out of the wood works, the 13th Co. wouldn't be hiding anymore.. And who says the SM would follow the strictures on size any longer?

With the High Lords mos tlikely backing the IG because they have no real control over SM, the SM would (in most cases) say '**** you Codex' and swell their numbers. This war wouldn't end quickly. And by the time the IG could feasibly have any kind of upper hand, the SM could fast approach their numbers.

Remember... Back in the elder days they used clones and vat grown specimens for marines.. They can do so again.

However, those clones didn't turn out so well... Even though their ranks could swell, it will take a long time. It is proven when you rush the process of making a marine, things go worng. For examample, geneseed mutations.

[Lord Commander Erus]

It's quite simple.. YOu may have all of those numbers... But the SM can match that just as easily as I said... They used vat grown humans and clones once.. Why not again?

EDIT: True.. The clones were monsters, but were only used due to being scared of the rest of the imperium's opinion... Why worry if rebellion happens?

[Ichor]

You should worry when they end up killing your own troops.

Anyways, numbers play a huge role.Like I said, it would be liking picking a grain a sand form a beach, one at a a time. There's simply too many guardsmen.

It is said that a marine is worth ten guardsmen. Not one million.

Space Marine vehicles cannot compare to Banebaldes, Hellhammer, Shadowswords, Sormblades, and Stormswords. Volcanno cannons, anyone?

Originally Posted by SSGBIGFOOT

I also think many more marines would fall to Chaos. When you feel abandoned you can tend to take a dark side.

True, if the Space Marines abbandoned the codex, then they would fall out of favor with most of the Imperial forces. Especially the Inquistion.

[Steellegioncpt]

Also Lets not forget about production.

IG can produce many more men then a SM. Though, the ratio maybe the same...

Also lets factor in the use of preheresy tanks and such. IG still uses its Pre-heresy tanks which were more popular then the preheresy armour the SM have