Autocannons?? - 40K Terra

nova9 · 10-22-2007

After looking through the army lists I've found very few autocannons in use (there is one with 2 full squads of them I saw though) and was wondering if they are not well thought of. I personally like them, as they seem very guardish in my mind, though I don't have much playing experience yet to have a handle on how they stack up. The 2nd shot and ability to still penetrate many vehicles is appealing to me, as well as not allowing the cursed eldar a saving throw. Any thoughts??

Baron Spikey · 10-22-2007

i really like autocannons in theory, you just dont have any other Imperial Army excluding the Guard who have them available in abundance though- and with the guard its generally necessary to get either weapons that have a greater rate of fire (h.bolters, multi-lasers etc) or are powerful enough to kill off enemies with more certainty.

If Space Marines could have them in infantry squads then I'd use as many as possible alongside my plentiful missile launchers, sadly though thats just not the case.

Plisken · 10-22-2007

I love auto cannons, Their strength is good for armour, heavy infantry and kills light infantry effortlessly.They don't cost much pointwise but this may be that i just don't use heavy weapons any of my infantry squads.

Templar Mikeel · 10-22-2007

In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more.

experiment 626 · 10-22-2007

well, i optimise my infantry squads for a purely anti-infantry role, thus i give them heavy bolters...

the autocannons i save for use on sentinels and chimera turrets. this way, i'm not sacrificing any extra shots simply to hunt a tank!

cheers!

JoeGuardsman · 10-22-2007

I love autocannons as well. It depends on the army that I make. In my current everyday list I have a heavy reliance on plasma weapons so I can't afford to have more Str 7 weapons. Autocannons are my favorite Fire Support Squad weapon and there is nothing that shreds Dreadnoughts better.

r4wr89 · 10-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more.

oh easily! they would be upgraded heavy bolters ! though if that were to happen i wouldn't be surprised if they were several times the price of an HB. as it is, they do decent enough anti-light tank and decent anti-heavy infantry, no ?

Templar Mikeel · 10-22-2007

Yes, that's one thing well represented. .50 cals can take out APCs

. Along with changing it to heavy 3, I also think that ap 3 would be a good change. Or cheesy.

Timber-WoIf · 10-22-2007

autocannons are iffy for me. they lack the strength to take out real tanks, the rate of fire to deal with massed infantry, and the AP to deal with heavy infantry reliably. simply, heavy bolters are more effective against infantry, and missile launchers and lascannons are more effective against tanks. the thing the autocannon has going for it is its probibly the most versitile gun the guard has access to. It is capible of performing just about any role effective enough. (it should eb noted that my AC seem to do pretty well against monstrous creatures though)

i use a mix of different heavy weapons squads, but i definatly love russ exterminators, and like to replace the multilasers on my chimera with AC as well
(just recently got some sentenels, havent tested them yet, so dunno weather to put lascannon or AC on them. probibly AC though.)

hairyyahoo · 10-24-2007

imo the autocannon is the best all round weapon the guard have access to. it's a jack-of-all-trades gun in that it can do a little of everything, but it's best used for transport popping in my mind, rhinos in particular hate autocannons

also, like grenade launchers, autocannon are just so fluffy for guard armies!

Lord Erak Grimnar · 10-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more.

Really I saw them more as anti tank gun type weapons with alrge recoil.

That_Guy · 10-27-2007

Autocannon is the jack of all trades. It can seriouslly punch a gapping hole in all but the heaviest armored units. even MEQ armies fear it, as even though AP isnt high enough, its great streangth will almost always wound.
Infantry? Slaughtered.
Skimers? Light vechs? Toast.
Medium tanks? Well enough.

I don't put them in my infantry, since if the occasion arrives, ill need to move them, and lose two AC.
To get the maximum effect outta' these guys, stick them in heavy weapons platoons and put them in good sight of the whole field. They will trash anything. It really puts fear into your opponent, who isnt willing to run his infantry out of their cover.

Timber-WoIf · 12-16-2007

the heavy stubber is a .50 cal machinegun. its able to mow down infantry and kill light vehicles.

the autocannon is a 40mm autocannon liek this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocannon

dunno why this was bugging me so much, but is just was. sorry

Baron von Lexus · 12-16-2007

I like autocannons as they can tear up lots of your opponents line infantry very well if you use them correctly. Sure they dont as fast as a hvy Bolter but thats why you take them alongside other hvy weapons. They arent a cure all but they do work.

Baron

Dragoon King · 12-18-2007

Mmmm, Reaper Autocannons. Put two in a 10 man Deep Striking Chaos Terminator squad and watch the carnage they can wreak. I also got a few in my tac squads, because I HATE missile launchers. They are cursed for me, I never hit anything with them, and when I do, no results, thus why I leave heavy armour for my Lascannons and Meltas. Light armour is toast, most heavy infantry is toast, but I say HB for swarms of lightly armoured troops, but the Autocannon is effective there too.

325504503 · 12-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more.

I think of the autocannon as more of the 20mm cannon on say a Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Slower rate of fire, good against lightly armoured vehicles. I know a .50 cal will penetrate the armor of M113 or BMP but it would be much rarer to destroy such a vehicle with a .50 cal.

Torquemada Coteaz · 12-20-2007

There's no way Autcannons can be .50cal
They are supposedly better than bolters at penetrating power armour, which, being solid-slugs that they are, with no explosive capabilities, hints at 1.00 + cal.
PLUS the fact that bolters are 0.75cal........

Dragoon King · 12-20-2007

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Originally Posted by 325504503

I think of the autocannon as more of the 20mm cannon on say a Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Slower rate of fire, good against lightly armoured vehicles. I know a .50 cal will penetrate the armor of M113 or BMP but it would be much rarer to destroy such a vehicle with a .50 cal.

I think that the main gun on an M2 is the 25mm Bushmaster. How come the discrepancy in size between Pred autocannons and those carried by troops and termies? Those look a lot smaller.

Torquemada Coteaz · 12-20-2007

termies carry assault cannons...

Dragoon King · 12-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

termies carry assault cannons...

Not Chaos ones, they pack the Reaper! (a twin-linked Autocannon)

Azalar · 12-20-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more.

Nope, Mikeel, Autocannons are not .50cal, like Timber said, Autocannons are 40mm, and a heavy stubber is a .50 cal.

*Is a bit of a Gaunts Ghosts freak

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Originally Posted by Timber-WoIf

the heavy stubber is a .50 cal machinegun. its able to mow down infantry and kill light vehicles.

the autocannon is a 40mm autocannon liek this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocannon

dunno why this was bugging me so much, but is just was. sorry

Dragoon King · 12-20-2007

Well, I don't know what caliber they are, and don't really care, all I know is I like em!

Timber-WoIf · 12-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

I think that the main gun on an M2 is the 25mm Bushmaster. How come the discrepancy in size between Pred autocannons and those carried by troops and termies? Those look a lot smaller.

"Autocannon" is kinda a catagory, and not a weapon in particular. the 25mm is an autocannon. so is the WWII 40mm. i suppose they perform similarly enough that they could be classified together.

Torquemada Coteaz · 12-21-2007

I guess.
That would explain why the traitor termies carry tiny autocannons as well.
Well, BESIDEs the reason that they're filthy filthy traitors ;P

10-22-2007	#1 (permalink)
nova9 Conscript Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Autocannons?? After looking through the army lists I've found very few autocannons in use (there is one with 2 full squads of them I saw though) and was wondering if they are not well thought of. I personally like them, as they seem very guardish in my mind, though I don't have much playing experience yet to have a handle on how they stack up. The 2nd shot and ability to still penetrate many vehicles is appealing to me, as well as not allowing the cursed eldar a saving throw. Any thoughts??

10-22-2007	#2 (permalink)
Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere between Crewe and Stoke in the Midlands Posts: 1,947 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 73 Thanked 146 Times in 114 Posts Blog Entries: 1	i really like autocannons in theory, you just dont have any other Imperial Army excluding the Guard who have them available in abundance though- and with the guard its generally necessary to get either weapons that have a greater rate of fire (h.bolters, multi-lasers etc) or are powerful enough to kill off enemies with more certainty. If Space Marines could have them in infantry squads then I'd use as many as possible alongside my plentiful missile launchers, sadly though thats just not the case. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Battles Updated Daily (Enter via Insignia)

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Templar Mikeel Major Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,779 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 217 Thanked 156 Times in 97 Posts	In the Gaunts Ghosts series, autocannons are referred to as .50 cal heavy machine guns. If autocannons are .50 cal, then I don't think that they fire fast enough. Compare it to an M60, which would fire faster? If the autocannon rules were changed to heavy 3, they would probably be taken a lot more. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Don't To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. the Killer! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	well, i optimise my infantry squads for a purely anti-infantry role, thus i give them heavy bolters... the autocannons i save for use on sentinels and chimera turrets. this way, i'm not sacrificing any extra shots simply to hunt a tank! cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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JoeGuardsman Corporal Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back in NYC Posts: 338 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	I love autocannons as well. It depends on the army that I make. In my current everyday list I have a heavy reliance on plasma weapons so I can't afford to have more Str 7 weapons. Autocannons are my favorite Fire Support Squad weapon and there is nothing that shreds Dreadnoughts better. __________________ "Only the insane have strength enough to prosper, only those that prosper may truly judge what is sane."

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Plisken Guest Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I love auto cannons, Their strength is good for armour, heavy infantry and kills light infantry effortlessly.They don't cost much pointwise but this may be that i just don't use heavy weapons any of my infantry squads.

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Templar Mikeel Major Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,779 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 217 Thanked 156 Times in 97 Posts	Yes, that's one thing well represented. .50 cals can take out APCs. Along with changing it to heavy 3, I also think that ap 3 would be a good change. Or cheesy. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Don't To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. the Killer! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Timber-WoIf Primer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	autocannons are iffy for me. they lack the strength to take out real tanks, the rate of fire to deal with massed infantry, and the AP to deal with heavy infantry reliably. simply, heavy bolters are more effective against infantry, and missile launchers and lascannons are more effective against tanks. the thing the autocannon has going for it is its probibly the most versitile gun the guard has access to. It is capible of performing just about any role effective enough. (it should eb noted that my AC seem to do pretty well against monstrous creatures though) i use a mix of different heavy weapons squads, but i definatly love russ exterminators, and like to replace the multilasers on my chimera with AC as well (just recently got some sentenels, havent tested them yet, so dunno weather to put lascannon or AC on them. probibly AC though.) __________________ "If brute force doesn't solve your problem, then you're not using enough." To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-27-2007	#12 (permalink)
That_Guy Conscript Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Autocannon is the jack of all trades. It can seriouslly punch a gapping hole in all but the heaviest armored units. even MEQ armies fear it, as even though AP isnt high enough, its great streangth will almost always wound. Infantry? Slaughtered. Skimers? Light vechs? Toast. Medium tanks? Well enough. I don't put them in my infantry, since if the occasion arrives, ill need to move them, and lose two AC. To get the maximum effect outta' these guys, stick them in heavy weapons platoons and put them in good sight of the whole field. They will trash anything. It really puts fear into your opponent, who isnt willing to run his infantry out of their cover.

12-16-2007	#13 (permalink)
Timber-WoIf Primer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Autocannons are NOT .50 machinegunns the heavy stubber is a .50 cal machinegun. its able to mow down infantry and kill light vehicles. the autocannon is a 40mm autocannon liek this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocannon dunno why this was bugging me so much, but is just was. sorry __________________ "If brute force doesn't solve your problem, then you're not using enough." To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Timber-WoIf; 12-16-2007 at 06:18 PM.

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Baron von Lexus Lord Commander Militant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ohio, still waiting for a GW Store. Posts: 1,104 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 34 Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts	I like autocannons as they can tear up lots of your opponents line infantry very well if you use them correctly. Sure they dont as fast as a hvy Bolter but thats why you take them alongside other hvy weapons. They arent a cure all but they do work. Baron __________________ Immer Isenherz! - 501st Death Korps of Krieg To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Self-Proclaimed Resident Krieg Expert To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "The Krieg method of war is a measure of thier discipline and thier sacrifice. It demands respect from all - friend and foe alike." -Lord Commander Militant, Segmentum Obscurus Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. + To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. + To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dragoon King Arch Heretic Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cawood, KY Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 69 Thanked 77 Times in 60 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Mmmm, Reaper Autocannons. Put two in a 10 man Deep Striking Chaos Terminator squad and watch the carnage they can wreak. I also got a few in my tac squads, because I HATE missile launchers. They are cursed for me, I never hit anything with them, and when I do, no results, thus why I leave heavy armour for my Lascannons and Meltas. Light armour is toast, most heavy infantry is toast, but I say HB for swarms of lightly armoured troops, but the Autocannon is effective there too. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

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Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 56 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts Blog Entries: 4	There's no way Autcannons can be .50cal They are supposedly better than bolters at penetrating power armour, which, being solid-slugs that they are, with no explosive capabilities, hints at 1.00 + cal. PLUS the fact that bolters are 0.75cal........ __________________ My Site: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Picture/Art Blog: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Crusaders Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) "2k7-2k8 NHL Season" Crusade (i.e. Ottawa Senators) [WIP] To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 56 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts Blog Entries: 4	termies carry assault cannons... __________________ My Site: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Picture/Art Blog: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Crusaders Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) "2k7-2k8 NHL Season" Crusade (i.e. Ottawa Senators) [WIP] To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dragoon King Arch Heretic Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cawood, KY Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 69 Thanked 77 Times in 60 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Well, I don't know what caliber they are, and don't really care, all I know is I like em! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

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Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 56 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts Blog Entries: 4	I guess. That would explain why the traitor termies carry tiny autocannons as well. Well, BESIDEs the reason that they're filthy filthy traitors ;P __________________ My Site: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Picture/Art Blog: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Crusaders Fluff: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (BT) "2k7-2k8 NHL Season" Crusade (i.e. Ottawa Senators) [WIP] To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.