Imperial Guard VS Space Marines

[Steellegioncpt]

WAR!

Pending Political Talk, which failed, the Imperial Guard is making a move against the Space Marines to counter any offensive!

Give the Ratio of the might of Humanity, and the super human abilities of the clone army 1:10 roughly

but also consider factors like

Leman Russes
Baneblades
Imperial Navy (YES! the Imperial Navy, though separate from the Imperial Guard is siding with the Imperial Guard)
Numerous Human controlled systems VS Space Marines

Do not consider Alien intervention I.E. Chaos Space Marines, NIds, Orks etc..

ALso think about the Inquisition Sisters of Battle, and Deamonhunters

My take is that the SOBs would side with Guard while the DH would side with SM

Have fun and run with it
FInally, Respect Peoples Argurments, and again have fun
Peter


BTW, Imperial Guard wins hands down

[kenshin620]

Which side gets the Adeptus Mechanicus?

[hairyyahoo]

title fight, round one. ding ding.

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by kenshin620

Which side gets the Adeptus Mechanicus?

I say they would be divided. The Enginseers would remain with their Guard, and the Techmarines would stay with the SMs

As for Titans and everything, I would say IG but I dunno

[Lord Commander Erus]

I'd say the Ad Mech would split straight down the middle as in the Heresy.

Death Watch would OBVIOUSLY go with SM... So There is the Ordo Xenos.... Certain IG regiments which are stationed on SM home worlds wouldn't likely turn... Daemonhunters would go w/ SM due to Grey Knights.. I think the Radical members of the Inquisition would side with the IG merely because the SM are such staunch puritanicals 9/10 of the times that they naturally butt heads.

The Radical and Rogue SM Chapters would likely wait in the wings or side with the SM.

As far as actual populaces/planets.. I highly doubt many w/ out staunch IG bases would go against the SM.. The terror and fear/awe the general citizen holds for them would be far too great to overcome.

I also think the Minisortium would be divided, as would the Sisters of Battle, merely because of the fact of some of the more pious marine chapters seens by membvers of both the above as being attacked for no reason.

The more and more religious an organization, the more I see it splitting off rather than siding one to the other, except for certain ones...

who would the arbites side with, I wonder? And the Navigators?

[Steellegioncpt]

Tactically Speaking,

I think that Imperial Guard can hold down, and fortify more and better. I.E. forts, hive cities ect.. but SM would win open assaults raids and such

[Baron Spikey]

Actually I would say the more religious the organisation the more likely it is to side with the Imperial Guard. The fact Space Marines dont consider the Emperor a God is a major bone of contention with the Ecclesiarchy. The Sisters of Battle aren't too fond of the Adeptus Astartes either with the use of Librarians and the fact Marines could possibly be termed mutants/abhumans depending on your perspective.

Where the Church of the God-Emperor goes I imagine the majority of the Imperium's worlds would follow.

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Baron Spikey

Actually I would say the more religious the organisation the more likely it is to side with the Imperial Guard. The fact Space Marines dont consider the Emperor a God is a major bone of contention with the Ecclesiarchy. The Sisters of Battle aren't too fond of the Adeptus Astartes either with the use of Librarians and the fact Marines could possibly be termed mutants/abhumans depending on your perspective.

Where the Church of the God-Emperor goes I imagine the majority of the Imperium's worlds would follow.

And for those Chapters who DO consider him a god you don't think portions of those other organizations would side with them?

[Baron Spikey]

well the only 1 that springs to mind is the Black Templars and the Imperium's ruling elite/Inquisition are some what nervous of them as they're blatantly larger than a standard chapter and have no home world with which you could at least identify their location.

Whilst a minority of chapters might worship the Emperor as a God (and I cant see more than 1% of chapters doing so) in the hysteria that would occur because of all out war, the Adeptus Astartes would be feared as a whole- I doubt the Ecclesiarchy or Sister of Battle would take the time to distinguish between certain factions...

[kenshin620]

What about the Custodes?

[Baron Spikey]

I dont think the Custodes would take a side unless Terra (or the Sol System) was directly threatened.

[SSGBIGFOOT]

Just due to numbers I'd say Imperial Guard. Navy actions would determine the whole thing though. the Space Marines would sure give them a fight though!

[Warmaster Romulas]

Originally Posted by kenshin620

What about the Custodes?

the custodes would protect the imperial palace

the guard just dont have the backbone to do what marines can
guardsman get combat fetigue
marines dont
guardsman have to eat "human Food" if rations can be called that
while marines can eat anything includine poison and flesh
they could just poison all the water on a planet and challange the guardsman to a dare
guard does have a multitude of tanks and weapons but every thing about the guard is slow

[kenshin620]

well, the IG have multilasers! .....and so do the space marines and Hey!!!!!!! damn it goto why are you writing the story!

[word bearers 81007]

i say chaos would win.... after all the imperial guardsmen and space marines slaughtered each other to such small numbers chaos would step in and butcher all. sorry it's irrelevant who would win, the final results would be chaos regardless..

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by Baron Spikey

I dont think the Custodes would take a side unless Terra (or the Sol System) was directly threatened.

If theres Guardsmen on Terra then yes it is threatened.

[Wakim]

Imperial NAVY wins, hands down!

[Luisjoey]

IG have lots of people and the possibility of placing more lasting heavy weapons (lascannons, plasmaguns, etc) but depending on the chapter playing i think that space marines would stand the day if they get close enough for CC

[UltraMar]

WOW a space marine game against IG is always anoying, i killed 3 squads and he killed like three of my models and they pretty much evened out

[Dragoon King]

SM win, in my opinion. Sure the IG have tons of tanks and a powerful Navy, but here are my reasons they lose.

1. SM are usually much more experienced than any Guardsman. Not to metion the fact they have deeper bonds with their comrades.

2. SM are a scalpel, IG a hammer. Surgical strikes can defeat numbers. The SM would know they would not win a set-piece battle, and would avoid such events. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

3. Survivability. Umm, Power Armour?

4. Specialized anti-tank units. Sure Baneblades are cool, but the SM have a LOT of anti-armour weaponry and guys who know how to use it, which brings me to my last point.

5. IG are not as highly trained as SM. Sure, numbers count for something, but every single SM in the galaxy is a well honed, well armed and armoured, well disiplined killing machine. Just think of the line from 300, "You see, I brought more warriors than you"

[Ichor]

1. Guardsmen have strong bonds as well. Look at the Vostroyans.

2. Yes, they probaly can hold out for quite a while. However, the IG will keep assaulting repeatedly until the Marines are whittled down to nothing. You really can't hold off all those guardsmen. If you destroy an entire regiment, there's plenty more whre that came form.

3.Super-heavies, anyone?

4.IG have tons of anit-armour (though admittably less trainded), but still trained enough to use it well.

5. Imperial Guard also have their fair share of experienced warriors. (Vostroya, Cadia, Mordia, Krieg, etc.) The IG can spare more men, resources, and worlds than the Marines, considering that for every marine planet, there's over a thousand worlds that have Imperial Guard.

[Warmaster Romulas]

i just dont think the 10-letsgo high on this and say 60 years of service compare to the hundreds of years carried by marine veterans
marines dont do set battles instead they strike where the enemy is weakest
the speed that a marine army can deploy and bring their guns to bear is blinding
the guard would still be mustering
i just dont think the numers could winout since by the time they can bring their guns to bear the marines would be in another place

[Ichor]

The IG shall crush the Marines with attrition. You just keep talking about a few worlds the SM are attacking. This is a Galaxy-wide conflict. How long can they harass the Guard untill they come crashing down on them? The Marines simply can't raid so many worlds and expect to come out unscathed. Sooner or later, there're going to lose out to sheer numbers.

[Warmaster Romulas]

no they wont you keep thinking that the marines will be drawn into out right conflicts
that wont happen
marines dont fight that way
i cant stress that enough
you guys that advocate for the guard because of their "numbers" advantage
seem to forget that imperial citizen look at marines as the angels of the Emperor himself
how many new recruits do you think they could get to fight that war?
without other branches of the imperium
that arent under their control
the guard are useless all their tanks and menmean nothing with out a Navy transport
do you really think the whole navy would side with them?
juat as ahistorical reference
numbers havent always been the "be all end all"
but better training and supplies has more often than not reigned supreme