independant commisars - 40K Terra

lord marcus · 10-08-2007

if a commisar is independant the rule says he takes up an HQ slot, could he be the commander?

Templar Mikeel · 10-08-2007

If you take the Independant Commisars doctrine, then the Commisars take up an Elite slot.

Steellegioncpt · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by lord marcus

if a commisar is independant the rule says he takes up an HQ slot, could he be the commander?

Also the HQ section says 1-2 showing that its a min. of one command squad.. (you may want to double check that but Im 90% positive.).

Also Yes he does become an Elite Choice when hes independent.

Grix · 10-09-2007

No you must still take a command squad.

Yes you can have him join any squad he wants.

He does not fill an HQ slot.

Up to 3 can be taken in this way, they fill only 1 Elite slot.

Im pretty sure that is how it goes.

hairyyahoo · 10-09-2007

that's spot on grix

Heroka Vendile · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Grix

No you must still take a command squad.

the only exception is if you take The Last Chancers, who will always counts as at least one HQ choice and a number of Troops choices depending on how many you take - and as such can be your only HQ choice, this isn't stated in the codex, but appears in the official Errata article which can be found here.

Grix · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Heroka Vendile

the only exception is if you take The Last Chancers, who will always counts as at least one HQ choice and a number of Troops choices depending on how many you take - and as such can be your only HQ choice, this isn't stated in the codex, but appears in the official Errata article which can be found here.

Interesting, however I really cannot see why anyone would forgo one of the strongest unit in the IG army IMO. With a main command squad, you can take 5 support squads. In those 5 support squads you can have quite a variety of weapons, up too 6 of any 1 type of heavy weapon (lascannon's, mortars, heavy bolters, ect) and up to 3 Sentinels. Not only that it gives you the option of a having a Chimera. Where else in the codex can you see the diversity of options which are available in the Headquarter section of your army?

lord marcus · 10-09-2007

if you take the mech doctrine you must take chimera's for EVERYTHING

Heroka Vendile · 10-09-2007

That seemed in irrelevant statement Lord Marcus, no-ones mentioned the Mechanised Doctrine.

But back to the Last Chancers - look at it this way Grix, the Last Chancers allow you to have up to (IIRC) 11 heavy weapons OR 22 assault weapons OR 22 sanctioned Psykers OR 22 Snipers OR 22 hard-ass stormbolter+carapace armoured nutcases.
Add to that that you get Schaffer and Kage as standard and you can have up to 5 Chimeras and the Sub-units rule allowing breaking the lot up into anything from all of them in one squad to 1 on their own.

Grix · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Heroka Vendile

That seemed in irrelevant statement Lord Marcus, no-ones mentioned the Mechanised Doctrine.

But back to the Last Chancers - look at it this way Grix, the Last Chancers allow you to have up to (IIRC) 11 heavy weapons OR 22 assault weapons OR 22 sanctioned Psykers OR 22 Snipers OR 22 hard-ass stormbolter+carapace armoured nutcases.
Add to that that you get Schaffer and Kage as standard and you can have up to 5 Chimeras and the Sub-units rule allowing breaking the lot up into anything from all of them in one squad to 1 on their own.

Im not saying anything against Last Chancer's, I like them, they saved quite a bit of points for me at Ard'Boyz. I took a couple of sub-units, Kage and Schaeffer in one, 3 snipers, 4 lascannons, and 2 demo charges, a total of 5 subunits. They proved to be very good, especially Schaeffer as an anti-cc deterant. The guy is crazy. Im just saying that the command platoon has alot of good options that can be used.

lord marcus · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Heroka Vendile

That seemed in irrelevant statement Lord Marcus, no-ones mentioned the Mechanised Doctrine.

But back to the Last Chancers - look at it this way Grix, the Last Chancers allow you to have up to (IIRC) 11 heavy weapons OR 22 assault weapons OR 22 sanctioned Psykers OR 22 Snipers OR 22 hard-ass stormbolter+carapace armoured nutcases.
Add to that that you get Schaffer and Kage as standard and you can have up to 5 Chimeras and the Sub-units rule allowing breaking the lot up into anything from all of them in one squad to 1 on their own.

i was reffering to grix's comment on that the command platoon can take a chimera and mostly all other units in the list can not.

Grix · 10-09-2007

The only problem with Chancers is that IMO they are a bit pricy. But after looking at it for a while, chancers are quite nice. Although I think that using them as a counter assault unit is a bit more bite. If you can get them into assault, Schaeffer and Kage leading a unit of 10 last chancer's each with a power weapon would put a dent in just about any unit. While only an initiative of 3, the fact that they have 2 attacks each and can take power weapons makes them leathal. Only if they were WS4.

lord marcus · 10-09-2007

if only you could give them hardend fighters (i mean they should already have it - they are all phsycos right?)

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10-09-2007	#4 (permalink)
Grix Trooper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	No you must still take a command squad. Yes you can have him join any squad he wants. He does not fill an HQ slot. Up to 3 can be taken in this way, they fill only 1 Elite slot. Im pretty sure that is how it goes.

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Grix Trooper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The only problem with Chancers is that IMO they are a bit pricy. But after looking at it for a while, chancers are quite nice. Although I think that using them as a counter assault unit is a bit more bite. If you can get them into assault, Schaeffer and Kage leading a unit of 10 last chancer's each with a power weapon would put a dent in just about any unit. While only an initiative of 3, the fact that they have 2 attacks each and can take power weapons makes them leathal. Only if they were WS4.