quick question: exterminators? - 40K Terra

r4wr89 · 11-11-2006

okay...i think russ exterminators are usually FW tanks, i'd figure that they'd require opponent's permission to use. am i correct?

ergh.

thanks all

experiment 626 · 11-11-2006

in most 'friendly' games you shouldn't have too many problems using an exterminator, but it's still a good idea to make sure your opponent doesn't mind you using one!
personally, i can't honestly see any level-headed player not letting you use your exterminator as long as you have the rules for it on hand...
(it's always a good idea to point out too that as a guard player, your exterminator is only BS3! unlike the space puppies BS4 version!!!)

for tournament play though, you'd have to check with the event organiser to see if they will allow forgeworld rules...

cheers!

Cagarner · 11-11-2006

Though technically i suppose you wont need permission.

Though if the other Player(s) don’t want you to use it, you should try to reach a reasonable compromise.

That’s my opinion

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-11-2006

well no.
you ALWAYS need permission, just that sometimes your in a gaming group/club and your club rule is "sure ok w/e"

tournies: GW probably wont allow it, RT might

Inquisitor Ralei · 11-11-2006

Whenever you use FW products, you always need the permission of your opponent.

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-11-2006

I'm pretty sure the same goes for any Index Astartes, White Dwarf, Chapter Approved or any list redos printed in the aforementioned. unless specifically stated that they can be used this season

r4wr89 · 11-11-2006

okay great thanks guys. i'm not worried about tournaments because i doubt i'll be going to them for a good long time. but just pick-up games, i take it that telling your opponent/asking for permission is the way to go.
thanks again.
-ant

Perturabo · 11-11-2006

Anything that is not in a codex (and the most recent codex as well) will not be allowed in a GW tournament
Home made versions of codex items (ie:drop pods-they are in the Space Marine codex) will be allowed so long as you make it clear what the item is supposed to be (so it cannot be confused with another item) and it contains only GW parts (so no Mechwarrior or Warmachine parts in there).

Stubber · 12-14-2006

Doesn't a model have to be over half GW product to use in tournaments.
And no LOTR bits can be used.

That's the way it was in the tournament I was at.

experiment 626 · 12-14-2006

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Originally Posted by Stubber

Doesn't a model have to be over half GW product to use in tournaments.
And no LOTR bits can be used.

That's the way it was in the tournament I was at.

the russ exterminator is a full gw model! and as forgeworld is a division of games workshop, any forgeworld bitz are fine for tournaments... (such as extra armour add-ons, chapter/legion specific doors and other 'codex' choices such as vindicators & exorcists!)

cheers!

Plisken · 12-14-2006

I think this has been stated but, If your gamer club alows it then yah sure, i for one sure 2 exterminators and have used them in the RT tourneys too. Gw doesnt allow them though.

Steellegioncpt · 12-14-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by r4wr89

okay...i think russ exterminators are usually FW tanks, i'd figure that they'd require opponent's permission to use. am i correct?

ergh.

thanks all

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

No Permission is needed at all!

Look in the Imperial Armour Vol. 1 it states "The Leman Russ Exterminator can be in a Imperial Guard army as a Heavy Support Choice"

As long as you have legal rules for them (the printable version on GW Armoured Company List would do just fine) then you dont need any help.

Trust me I had 3 in my army KICK SOME MAJOR ARSE!

r4wr89 · 12-14-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

No Permission is needed at all!

Look in the Imperial Armour Vol. 1 it states "The Leman Russ Exterminator can be in a Imperial Guard army as a Heavy Support Choice"

As long as you have legal rules for them (the printable version on GW Armoured Company List would do just fine) then you dont need any help.

Trust me I had 3 in my army KICK SOME MAJOR ARSE!

holy cow 3? i thought one had enough firepower but 3 is nonsense. thanks!

Steellegioncpt · 12-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by r4wr89

holy cow 3? i thought one had enough firepower but 3 is nonsense. thanks!

Oh yes 3 is complete nonsense, but then again I wouldnt be a true Imperial Guard player if I didnt use a lot of nonsense.

Killermoose · 12-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

Oh yes 3 is complete nonsense, but then again I wouldnt be a true Imperial Guard player if I didnt use a lot of nonsense.

Preach it! Kick some xeno ass!

Nonsense is the 40k players best friend

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

No Permission is needed at all!

if its not in the codex, you need permission.

Steellegioncpt · 12-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeAd_cOmMaNdO

if its not in the codex, you need permission.

But you dont need permission because it counts as a regular Heavy Support slot. You meet all the requirements needed to field that piece of machinery. Luckily the only requirements are having legal rules, and enough heavy support slots.

r4wr89 · 12-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

But you dont need permission because it counts as a regular Heavy Support slot. You meet all the requirements needed to field that piece of machinery. Luckily the only requirements are having legal rules, and enough heavy support slots.

it seems like its not clear to everyone the legality of exterminators. just to make sure, i think i'll magnetize my guns, keep a copy of the rules with me, and make sure my opponents know about them beforehand :]
-ant

Steellegioncpt · 12-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by r4wr89

it seems like its not clear to everyone the legality of exterminators. just to make sure, i think i'll magnetize my guns, keep a copy of the rules with me, and make sure my opponents know about them beforehand :]
-ant

That is probably the safest way. Plus I love the benefit you get when you magnetize things!

r4wr89 · 12-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steellegioncpt

That is probably the safest way. Plus I love the benefit you get when you magnetize things!

indeed. i just don't know where to buy magnets. i'd rather not internet order them ,just cause the hassle : /

any other places?
-ant

edit: HOLY COW!i just noticed that exterminators are actually cheaper than normal russes! woohoo!

experiment 626 · 12-17-2006

well, for one-off games only a true git would ever argue against you using one! provided you bring all the relevent rules and such, it's pretty bad sportsmanship imho to not allow someone to take something as simple as an exterminator! (consider this; the space puppies still have theirs and its BS4 - not BS3 like the guard one

)

for tournaments however, it's best to ring up the tourny organisers and ask wether or not they will allow forgeworld rules like exterminators!

cheers!

11-11-2006	#2 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,148 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 40 Thanked 310 Times in 223 Posts	in most 'friendly' games you shouldn't have too many problems using an exterminator, but it's still a good idea to make sure your opponent doesn't mind you using one! personally, i can't honestly see any level-headed player not letting you use your exterminator as long as you have the rules for it on hand... (it's always a good idea to point out too that as a guard player, your exterminator is only BS3! unlike the space puppies BS4 version!!!) for tournament play though, you'd have to check with the event organiser to see if they will allow forgeworld rules... cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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Cagarner The Omnissiah Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,429 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 46 Thanked 51 Times in 22 Posts	Erm... Though technically i suppose you wont need permission. Though if the other Player(s) don’t want you to use it, you should try to reach a reasonable compromise. That’s my opinion

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Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	well no. you ALWAYS need permission, just that sometimes your in a gaming group/club and your club rule is "sure ok w/e" tournies: GW probably wont allow it, RT might __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

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Inquisitor Ralei Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 292 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whenever you use FW products, you always need the permission of your opponent. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Sum*

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Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I'm pretty sure the same goes for any Index Astartes, White Dwarf, Chapter Approved or any list redos printed in the aforementioned. unless specifically stated that they can be used this season __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

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Perturabo Tyrant of Moray Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of Terror Posts: 1,286 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 19 Thanked 106 Times in 48 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Anything that is not in a codex (and the most recent codex as well) will not be allowed in a GW tournament Home made versions of codex items (ie:drop pods-they are in the Space Marine codex) will be allowed so long as you make it clear what the item is supposed to be (so it cannot be confused with another item) and it contains only GW parts (so no Mechwarrior or Warmachine parts in there). __________________ the_iron_warriors@yahoo.co.uk Experts in Siege Works....we also do Patios and Drives My Camera caught the Obliterator Virus...shooting some pictures took on a whole new meaning!

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Stubber Confused and Enraged Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South-east Ireland Posts: 1,108 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 42 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Doesn't a model have to be over half GW product to use in tournaments. And no LOTR bits can be used. That's the way it was in the tournament I was at. __________________ We come in Peace...Shoot to kill men... Vote On The Battlefield

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Plisken Guest Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I think this has been stated but, If your gamer club alows it then yah sure, i for one sure 2 exterminators and have used them in the RT tourneys too. Gw doesnt allow them though.

12-17-2006	#21 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,148 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 40 Thanked 310 Times in 223 Posts	well, for one-off games only a true git would ever argue against you using one! provided you bring all the relevent rules and such, it's pretty bad sportsmanship imho to not allow someone to take something as simple as an exterminator! (consider this; the space puppies still have theirs and its BS4 - not BS3 like the guard one ) for tournaments however, it's best to ring up the tourny organisers and ask wether or not they will allow forgeworld rules like exterminators! cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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