Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? - 40K Terra

Ikarus · 07-13-2008

Rules state that ANY unit can contest an objective.

So if i drop pod a unit into an objective, would the drop pod, essentially, if not destroyed, hold the objective?

If so, that is such a mean tactic.

Spartan-11755 · 07-13-2008

Is the Drop pod not a Dedicated Transport?

I thought Dedicated Transports did not hold and or Contest.

TheKiller333 · 07-13-2008

Does the drop pod actually count as a unit anymore? ;-;

DuskRaider · 07-13-2008

It doesn't. A scoring unit has to be an actual troop, not their transport.

JoeGuardsman · 07-13-2008

I believe it might be able to contest. This is a pain but think about Annihilate where it also gives up a kill point. Annihilate as much as it kills me as a Guard player I understand it's place for game balance. The Guard codex just needs something to tweak the insane amount of easy kill points.

A drop pod army will have to survive Annihilate by forcing the opponent to be so worried about the troops coming out that they can't afford to target the pods. In an objective contest it won't be too difficult to destroy a drop pod. One destroyed roll or two minor damages and it is gone anyway.

TheKiller333 · 07-13-2008

Drop pod shouldn't count as kill points.. or did I read that wrong? If it does that's just ridiculous.

JoeGuardsman · 07-13-2008

As far as I can tell right now it is a unit and so would be a kill point. Rhinos are also kill points. Anything that can at any point in time act independently of anything else is a kill point and a unit able to contest.

Spartan-11755 · 07-14-2008

so I checked and "ANY" Unit can contest any objective >.<

DuskRaider · 07-14-2008

I didn't think vehicles could contest objectives in 5th.

Scoutmaster477 · 07-14-2008

I am going to have to make time to get my copy of 5th edition. Seems like lots of rules changes.

Vlad Von Carstein · 07-14-2008

They can, anything can...also transports can CAPTURE Objective's since they count as troop choices.....

Bremmer925 · 07-14-2008

If a Troop choice is a vehicle or a swarm, it can not claim objectives. It can contest them, however.
Parker

dragonlady · 07-14-2008

Can an Immobilized unit contest an objective?

Remember that as soon as the Drop Pod pops, it is immediately counted as Immobilized.

Vlad Von Carstein · 07-14-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bremmer925

If a Troop choice is a vehicle or a swarm, it can not claim objectives. It can contest them, however.
Parker

not according to staff...but this guy is known to cheat.

DuskRaider · 07-14-2008

Well, instead of relying on staff, rely on the book. That's what it's there for.

Bremmer925 · 07-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Vlad Von Carstein

not according to staff...but this guy is known to cheat.

According to page 90, second column under " SCORING UNITS", the first exception listed is vehicles and the second is swarms. I can't think of anything the "staff" might say that could over rule that.

And, when have I been " known to cheat"?
Parker

dragonlady · 07-14-2008

The question isn't whether its a scoring unit - as said vehicles are not (right in the rulebook), but the question is whether it contests. Because most things, though not scoring by themselves, do contest a scoring units possession of an objective.

Bremmer925 · 07-14-2008

With the scenarios in the book, it would seem that a drop pod would contest. They do specify that "any unit, scoring or not" can contaest. However, in a scenario that is different than the 3 they list ( Cities of Death comes to mind) the players could determine that for themselves.
Parker

phil · 07-15-2008

only infantry can contest oblectives, NO vehicles or swarm units

embarked infantry can contest objectives if the transport is within 3" of the objective but otherwise vehicles cant.

Vlad Von Carstein · 07-15-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bremmer925

According to page 90, second column under " SCORING UNITS", the first exception listed is vehicles and the second is swarms. I can't think of anything the "staff" might say that could over rule that.

And, when have I been " known to cheat"?
Parker

i meant the staff member

and he claims its steel legions special rule...

Warmaster Romulas · 07-15-2008

the way i read it
any unit can contest
not vehicles though
so i would say that a drop pod cannot contest an objective
but i may be wrong

dragonlady · 07-15-2008

Your right, in the mission itself it says:

Quote:

You control an objective if there is at least one of your scoring units, and no enemy unit (any unit, whether scoring or not), within 3" of it.

(emphasis mine).

This seems rather straight forward!

So even though the Drop pod is immobilized it still will contest!

Ikarus · 07-15-2008

oh joy of some great fun I'm going to have drop podding 3 dreadnoughts.

Warmaster Romulas · 07-16-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikarus

oh joy of some great fun I'm going to have drop podding 3 dreadnoughts.

it would be even better if the reserve role didnt allow them to come in till near the end

Vlad Von Carstein · 07-16-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuskRaider

Well, instead of relying on staff, rely on the book. That's what it's there for.

They claim the book is wrong, hence why i have a print out of the new eldar errata for my swooping hawk trick.

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DuskRaider Corporal Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 448 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 40 Thanked 53 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? It doesn't. A scoring unit has to be an actual troop, not their transport. __________________ *COUNT THE SEVEN!* Please check out my Death Guard & Renegade Militia Army Progress at http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/DuskRaider/ Also, check out my ToXG Progress! http://www.40kterra.com/forums/f245/...blog-6462.html http://www.myspace.com/akiras12

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JoeGuardsman Sergeant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 551 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 37 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? I believe it might be able to contest. This is a pain but think about Annihilate where it also gives up a kill point. Annihilate as much as it kills me as a Guard player I understand it's place for game balance. The Guard codex just needs something to tweak the insane amount of easy kill points. A drop pod army will have to survive Annihilate by forcing the opponent to be so worried about the troops coming out that they can't afford to target the pods. In an objective contest it won't be too difficult to destroy a drop pod. One destroyed roll or two minor damages and it is gone anyway. __________________ "Only the insane have strength enough to prosper, only those that prosper may truly judge what is sane."

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JoeGuardsman Sergeant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 551 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 37 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? As far as I can tell right now it is a unit and so would be a kill point. Rhinos are also kill points. Anything that can at any point in time act independently of anything else is a kill point and a unit able to contest. __________________ "Only the insane have strength enough to prosper, only those that prosper may truly judge what is sane."

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DuskRaider Corporal Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 448 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 40 Thanked 53 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? I didn't think vehicles could contest objectives in 5th. __________________ *COUNT THE SEVEN!* Please check out my Death Guard & Renegade Militia Army Progress at http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/DuskRaider/ Also, check out my ToXG Progress! http://www.40kterra.com/forums/f245/...blog-6462.html http://www.myspace.com/akiras12

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Bremmer925 Trooper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: bremerton, wa. Posts: 140 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? If a Troop choice is a vehicle or a swarm, it can not claim objectives. It can contest them, however. Parker __________________ Quantity has a quality all it's own. There is no personal problem that cannot be handled with a suitable amount of high explosives. Redheads don't need a reason, they ARE the reason.

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DuskRaider Corporal Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 448 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 40 Thanked 53 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? Well, instead of relying on staff, rely on the book. That's what it's there for. __________________ *COUNT THE SEVEN!* Please check out my Death Guard & Renegade Militia Army Progress at http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/DuskRaider/ Also, check out my ToXG Progress! http://www.40kterra.com/forums/f245/...blog-6462.html http://www.myspace.com/akiras12

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Bremmer925 Trooper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: bremerton, wa. Posts: 140 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? With the scenarios in the book, it would seem that a drop pod would contest. They do specify that "any unit, scoring or not" can contaest. However, in a scenario that is different than the 3 they list ( Cities of Death comes to mind) the players could determine that for themselves. Parker __________________ Quantity has a quality all it's own. There is no personal problem that cannot be handled with a suitable amount of high explosives. Redheads don't need a reason, they ARE the reason.

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phil Corporal Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: newcastle , UK Posts: 373 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Drop Pod - Contesting objectives? only infantry can contest oblectives, NO vehicles or swarm units embarked infantry can contest objectives if the transport is within 3" of the objective but otherwise vehicles cant. __________________ Airbourne company in the works 9 DKOK grenadiers 1500pt dark angel army 1000pt imperial guard 3000pt vampire counts (still in box) W/D/L 29/1/3 check out my TOXG thread (yes it has been updated) http://www.40kterra.com/forums/f245/...tml#post121976 http://www.myspace.com/phil_hellion

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