Thinking of Starting grey knights

[FunkyFellow]

Ello ello, I've decided that once I'm finished my eldar army I want to make some sort of army containing grey knights, the models, the fluff, everything really just calls to me to make a army including them! Now the question is what do I field them with? I don't want to make a pure grey knight army for various reasons such as the cost, the supposed inefficiency, and they don't seem as important if you have a whole bunch of them.

So first off I was thinking of pairing them up with imperial guard, I wanted to take a grey knight termi squad with hero and 2 regular grey knight squads with a dread and maybe a landraider crusader, how would that fit into a IG army? They seem to compliment each other very well and it would definitely make my GK's standout

Secondly I though up a very cool idea to make a illuminati dark angles successor space marines chapter. They were once a large chapter until an assault by chaos, most of them died and the very few that lived were holed up in a bunker and possessed by daemons only a very few (20) survived this and through force of will and faith drove the daemons out, they were rescued by an illuminated inquisition force and have thus slowly rebuilt, recruiting only illuminated humans and have close ties with illuminated grey knights) Pretty much field the same grey knights force as above and definitely use some cool dark angels models and bikes.

Thirdly the pure inquisition force, Either with an inquisitor and storm troopers or allied with witch hunters and again with the previously mentioned
GK units (not to fond of this cause a friend of mine already plays SoB's)

Any comments on how to start off with these guys are appreciated, thanks.

[Four20edLogan]

I say start out with Grey Knights, pick up the codex and get a feel for the army. Then decide depending on your 40k tactics what would work better with them.

[Lord_Tyrion]

Go for the Sucessor Chapter!

Sounds like an awesome idea if im honest.

[iNsOmNiAc'S dReAm]

GreyKnights dont have Sucessor chapters.... Do they?

[Lord Commander Erus]

Grey Knights do not and indeed CAN NOT have suc essor chapters.. This violates so much fluff the world limit on the site would cut my list off 1/4 the way through!

They are the militant arm of an Ordo, and therefore are not SM in that they are not limited by the Codex Astartes and the laws of Foudning and Sucessors.

[Stubber]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Grey Knights do not and indeed CAN NOT have suc essor chapters.. This violates so much fluff the world limit on the site would cut my list off 1/4 the way through!

I think he was talking about making a Dark Angels successor chapter that uses the GK rules.

[Lord Commander Erus]

ahan.... Well.. I always thought Sucessors should use the Parent Chapter rules, or JUST the Codex traits... So... I'll be quiet. *sheepishly pulls foot from mouth*

[Lord_Tyrion]

Made me laugh how you didnt seem to have read the post before commenting on the sucessor chapter thing..

"Secondly I though up a very cool idea to make a illuminati dark angles successor space marines chapter"



But yes, i see that using the parent Chapter Codex may be more acceptable...

Hmm..

[masterofweirdness]

Originally Posted by Lord_Tyrion

illuminati

that word... explain?

I think IG and DH go together much better...

[FunkyFellow]

The thing on the successor chapter was using dark angels space marines with grey knight allies i.e. the dark angels models follow dark angels rules and the grey knight models follow GK rules. The idea behind it is that since dark angles and their successor chapters don't get along with the inquisition it creates a very good reason as to why mine are such great friends with em, and opens up a really cool backround!

[Night Shadow]

Originally Posted by Four20edLogan

I say start out with Grey Knights, pick up the codex and get a feel for the army. Then decide depending on your 40k tactics what would work better with them.

I agree with this 100% Pick up the codex, you know read through it, and make a choice then. Because of the fact it isnt uncommon for someone wanting to start an army for what ever reason and then mid way through building the army, it wasnt really there cup of tea. Now I am not talking about your choice of Grey Knights, that is fine, but rather the choice between SM and IG. Again like Four20edLogan said, get the codex first, then pick.

[hairyyahoo]

Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

that word... explain?

I think IG and DH go together much better...

i believe illuminati are humans that have been possessed and have managed to drive the daemon out of them through sheer force of will. iirc they then become immune to possession and the eldar allow them access to the black library, or something like that *shrugs*

[FunkyFellow]

i believe illuminati are humans that have been possessed and have managed to drive the daemon out of them through sheer force of will. iirc they then become immune to possession and the eldar allow them access to the black library, or something like that *shrugs*

Ya me and battle-ranch read some awsome fluff on the illuminati a while back, pretty much exactly what you said hairy + they are looking for the descendants of the emperor (I forget their actual name) and plan to use them to reincarnate the emperor (although this requires to sacrifice them). I figured it created an interesting conflict of interests in the dark angels seeing as how they're on the hunt for the fallen, thus their natural skills make them idea for locating the emperors descendants.

[TheWarden]

GK cannont ally with spacemarines of any kind, the deamonhunters may. GK are a very exellent force to use on their own and you really never have enough of them to say that you have too many unlike some armies i know. (nids, tau, eldar, IG, ORKS!)

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Yes. GK will always be outnumbered, and against most standard balanced armies you'll want to Deep Strike in drop pods/teleport and a few units in LR/LRC's unless you wish your army to be butchered by shooting.

Puritan GK is probably one of the hardest armies I've ever had to play with. You'll usually want to flesh out with some cheap IG or semi-cheap regular ass-tarts.

GK also have CRAP when it comes to variety.
All you're ending up with GK Termies+Hero, power armoured squads (with options for more special weapons or as teleporting fast attack), LR's and dreads.
Yet another reason to take allies.

DA chapters will NOT use GK rules, as that is so totally breaking fluff and rules I can barely stand to say it. GK are supposed to be unique, secret, and backed by Ordo Malleus. GK special rules should not apply, though I guess you can take any of the Malleus wargear for a DA successor as you wish. Wargear is easy to come by. For the +2 part of the nemesis force weapon you should find a better way to explain it rather than "it's their innate psy abilities". something like "their hate gives them power" or something like that.

just a few ideas for now :P

[inquisitor_lord_chris]

go for it I've won 25 battles out of 30 using Grey knights