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12-22-2006
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| Trooper   Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vostroya
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 |  A Couple of Chaos questions First one. Who is allowed to take Reaper Auto-Cannons? I play this Chaos player who is shooting them from his Havoc Squad and Obliterators but I've heard that only Defilers can take them. Also what is a Havoc Launcher and does it even exist!??!(again heard that there is no such thing) Or is my lack of knowledge on the Chaos codex being taken advantage of? Im not trying to be a dick, but this player (who has been playing for years) keeps makeing "mistakes" in his army list and keep attributing them to "oh well you could in 3rd edition" and I really dont feel I should have to buy a Codex:Chaos Space Marines just to make sure its a fair fight. Cheers! |
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12-22-2006
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| Extremis Diabolus   Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in the shadows
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| I believe it is only Defilers and Terminators that can take reaper autocannons. Yes, there is such a thing as a Havoc Launcher. It's a vehicle upgrade, and it's a missile weapon that lays down a couple blasts. Sound like what he was using? He should probably get the 4th Ed. rulebook and have a good look-through. He should also have his Chaos codex with him so he, and you, can reference these rules. That's why GW printed rulebooks...
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12-22-2006
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| Yeah it was comeing from a Dreadnaut and it was doing like 2 wounds for each model it hit. I was just sceptical because some other gamers and myself have caught him on some things like, some units have had more cc wepons than they are supposed to and a Blood Thirster that only took One instability test and stuff. Thanks for the help tho! |
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12-22-2006
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| yea smack him for me. i hate players like this. yea rosendal is right. chaos dreadnaughts can take a twin-linked autocannon, which is essentially the same stats but shorter range. how was it causing two wounds per model? that makes no sense at all. |
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12-22-2006
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| Lord Gen. Israfael Kurita  Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person!
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Blog Entries: 1   | Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense at all! Reapers dont cause 2 wounds per hit! I too hate those kinds of guys, who feel that they have to cheat to win and then lie about it! Oh well, i just advise not playing with him anymore! We had a guy like that and we ended up just saying, go away.
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12-22-2006
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| Filthy, Dirty Radical   Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto!
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| as mentioned, reaper autocannons are aviliable as a heavy weapon upgrade for chaos termies and comes standard on chaos defilers. havocs and oblits just get by with regular autocannons! the only difference is the reaper has a slightly shorter range, but is twin-linked! as for havoc launchers, they're a vehicle upgrade, however if 2 hits are scored, you double the total number of "hits" not wounds! so for example; both shots from the havoc launcher hit. - your opponent places the small blast template so that the center hole is centered over one of your models and then rolls for partials and such. - say he gets 4 guys after partials. as both shots hit, he actually causes 8 hits total, and now makes his to-wound rolls! hope this helps, cheers!
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12-22-2006
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| Extremis Diabolus Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in the shadows
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| Oh, really? I always did one template, and then the other. But I like yours... garauntees more models hit on average!
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| i always place them both on the same spot where im going to get the most hits. so if he was doing that, then he would cause the double number of hits, not wounds. i would suggest just not playing him again. and list your troubles here-http://www.40kterra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=578&page=4 |
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01-08-2007
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| Sorry to keep this up but another issue with our local chaos player... Im pretty sure Obliterators are T4 and the T5 is for rolling to wound? So a wound from a strength 8 weapon would cause instant death correct? thanks!  |
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| Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto!
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later printings have now changed it to T5(4) for the purposes of calculating 'Instant Death!' and such... (therefore, any weapon of at least S8 will inflict instant death on an oblit!) you chaos opponent needs to check the front page of his codex and look to see which printing he has! the most current 4th printing should say 'reprinted april '06' cheers!
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01-08-2007
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| minor error its T4(5) anything in parenthesis in the codexes are the modifyers, such as dreadnaughts with CC weapons. they have made so many errors with the chaos codex though...why do you think its on the 4th reprint! arghh! |
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01-08-2007
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| haha ok thanks. Its annoying but we have a long running string grudge matches going on and it came up when I insisted that a melta gun causes instant death when I wounded his Obliterators and they failed there invulnerable save!  |
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a) so much to it! (escetially there's 9 entire army lists in it!  )b) so many reprints and misinterpritation of rules!!! cheers!
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02-24-2007
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| just a note: the havoc launcher changed when they released the current codex (and its reprints) so that you place the blast template once and count hits twice if both hits score, previously it was a separate templates for each hit scored so those who do try to place the template twice and have been playing for a few years simply haven't looked closely at their own codex |
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02-24-2007
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| "The oblitorator being T4 thing first showed up in the FAQ on the GW website, so you can print that off and show it to your oponent is he does not belive you." The FAQ for Chaos Space Marines currently on the US website makes no such reference. I have two copies of the Chaos Codex and both of mine say toughness five. Stitch says that there is a more current printing that changes this, but I cannot confirm that. If the copy of the codex that the player is using says toughness 5, and he drew up his list using that codex, AND he has his codex to show you where he got the points for his models, then I would say His Obliterators are in fact toughness 5 for the purposes of that game and hence could not be killed instantly with melta guns. If you have a more current printing, then I would show him the change and then in future games, I would expect him to use the revision, but I find it a bit offensive to think that a player should be penalized for GW's waffling on the rules. as an aside, I personally will not accept "FAQ'S" that someone has printed off the web. Unless there is a computer handy that we can use to verify the info he has printed, I ain't buying it. There is too much just plain B******t on the web. Not to mention the sad fact that some people will cheat to win. (And leaving your codex at home to me means that I win all arguments over rules, because I always carry mine and my BBB, not to mention so much other stuff that it usually takes me two trips to and from the car, "sigh". If a player claims his codex gives him a special advantage, especially if it contradicts a general rule of the game, then he ought to have the codex with him to back up the Claim.) |
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02-25-2007
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| I have the more recent printing, and I can confirm that the toughness is indeed 4(5).
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