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Old 11-18-2007   #1 (permalink)
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So a Defiler has two Dreadnought CC weapons, right? Do these double its strength? It is Str.6, so the Dreadnought CCW make it Str. 10? Am I right about this?
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Yep, I am pretty sure it counts as a Drednought CCW weapon, and that means double strength and no saves.
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Yep, I am pretty sure it counts as a Drednought CCW weapon, and that means double strength and no saves.
Sweet. I actually just noticed this the other day while making a stat sheet for a Defiler. The Fleet rule is looking better and better to me!
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and then there's the option of +2 to your attacks by giving it 2 more Dreadnaught CCW
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while you still have at least 1 dreadnought close combat weapon, all your attacks will be made at S10 and allow no armour saves!

of corse, if/when all your dreadnought close combat arms are blown off, you'll revert back to your basic S6 and your opponent will get to attempt their armour saves...

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while you still have at least 1 dreadnought close combat weapon, all your attacks will be made at S10 and allow no armour saves!

of corse, if/when all your dreadnought close combat arms are blown off, you'll revert back to your basic S6 and your opponent will get to attempt their armour saves...

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Neat. Thanks for the info Stitch!
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while you still have at least 1 dreadnought close combat weapon, all your attacks will be made at S10 and allow no armour saves!

of corse, if/when all your dreadnought close combat arms are blown off, you'll revert back to your basic S6 and your opponent will get to attempt their armour saves...

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*must resist...buying...defiler...*

That is so awesome! Why must we all have budgets! Life just isn't fair!
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*must resist...buying...defiler...*

That is so awesome! Why must we all have budgets! Life just isn't fair!
keep in mind that buying 3 defilers will allow oneself to convert 2 brass scorpions! they still make great looking defilers in their own right, but they have a multi-use to them now!

i know, i'm a stinker ain't i for tempting you all like this?!!

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keep in mind that buying 3 defilers will allow oneself to convert 2 brass scorpions! they still make great looking defilers in their own right, but they have a multi-use to them now!

i know, i'm a stinker ain't i for tempting you all like this?!!

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I never want to hear the words "Brass Scorpion" again! I don't wanna build it must not give in to temptation, be strong, come on DK maintain. O.K., if I can figure out how to make it look less like a Defiler, then and only then will I undertake the building of one!
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i know, i'm a stinker ain't i for tempting you all like this?!!

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That, actually, doesn't tempt me, as my army won't be ready for Apoc anytime soon...

However, it would appear that with a bit more persuasion you can bring Dragoon King around...
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That, actually, doesn't tempt me, as my army won't be ready for Apoc anytime soon...

However, it would appear that with a bit more persuasion you can bring Dragoon King around...
No more peer pressure! I already have two built Defilers. On the other hand, from everything I gather, the scorpion is deadly on the battlefield. I do need something to square off against all those baneblades my friends are buying.... Right, I will build one, but I have to think of some ways to make it look less like a Defiler. However, it will be on the back burner, I got tons of projects in the works already. I will make the scorpion my 2nd superheavy. My first planned one is a Chaos Stormblade. Ah geez, but the Chaos Titan is so awesome! I hate apoc. Back on subject, I wanna know if a Defiler can fire ALL of it's weapons if stationary (I remember vaguely from the rulebook it can't fire ordanance with the other weapons, but I'm too lazy to look it up!).
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IIRC, it should be.

Minus Ordnance... since you say so.

Of course, you could just check that nice little table in the BBB that deals with movement and firing...
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Same here. Sides, I already built my defiler and it already looks like a nightmare to paint, so I'm not too crazy about brass scorpians right now.

Thanks for the STR and AS tip though.
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keep in mind the defiler is a walker and not a regular vehicle! thus, you can always move and fire upto 2 weapons - even 2 main weapons! or else you can fire the big 'ol battle cannon!

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keep in mind the defiler is a walker and not a regular vehicle! thus, you can always move and fire upto 2 weapons - even 2 main weapons! or else you can fire the big 'ol battle cannon!

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But I remeber the Defiler's Battle Cannon being a move or shoot weapon in the 3rd ed. Did this change?
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Rulebook says;
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stationary: all main and defensive weapons OR 1 ordnance wep OR 1 ordnance barrage wep.

up to 6": 2 main or defensive weps OR 1 ordnance wep

up to and more than 12" : not apllicable"

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Defilers are coool ^^
got my B.Scorpion ordered too...actually..it should be in roughly today....!!! ahhh....
lol, but alas, the shopping centre my GW is located had a bombscare today and i dunno when itll be opened agian lol
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Rulebook says;
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stationary: all main and defensive weapons OR 1 ordnance wep OR 1 ordnance barrage wep.

up to 6": 2 main or defensive weps OR 1 ordnance wep

up to and more than 12" : not apllicable"

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got my B.Scorpion ordered too...actually..it should be in roughly today....!!! ahhh....
lol, but alas, the shopping centre my GW is located had a bombscare today and i dunno when itll be opened agian lol
Thanks, homeslice! Saves me the trouble of looking it up. Looking back, I wish I had replaced that Heavy bolter on my Defiler with another CC weapon. Oh well, it already has one. Don't think I'm gonna use the HB over the BC much though.
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Thanks, homeslice! Saves me the trouble of looking it up. Looking back, I wish I had replaced that Heavy bolter on my Defiler with another CC weapon. Oh well, it already has one. Don't think I'm gonna use the HB over the BC much though.
or rather, you won't use that heavy bolter much untill the battle cannon gets destroyed!

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or rather, you won't use that heavy bolter much untill the battle cannon gets destroyed!

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As always Stitch, very good point. Even if the BC is destroyed I'd still have a little ranged firepower against troops. I tend to use the Defiler as an antitroop platform anyway. I was however, given one recently by my good friend Belial who equipped it with TL Lascannon and Havoc Launcher. I'm guessing the LC will help me out against enemy armour. If all else fails, I'll use Fleet and assault any enemy armour foolish enough to get too close.... HAHAHA, I no longer fear his Landspeeders!
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hunh, so that's a brass scorpian...funny, I pictured it to be as intimidating as the defiler...
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very good GG, thats coming on great!

when the time comes i may need a tut on how you did that so i can avoid buying 2x Defilers for 1 model
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I gather thats your own conversion?
you can specifically order a Brass Scorpion set with the aprropiate sprues. Its got 6 legs in addition to the 2 big claws ^^
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