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Cirative · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

I'm pretty sure you can have any kind of weapon you want, but he can only be equipped with a single CC weapon.

Yeah I read that he has a single close combat weapon, but the model appears to have some kind of gun built-in to his left forearm. The codex doesn't say what it is, nor what he can select as his ranged weapon... If it said he could choose from an armoury, that'd make sense, but instead it makes no mention of any ranged weapons whatsoever.

Lord Commander Erus · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

Yeah I read that he has a single close combat weapon, but the model appears to have some kind of gun built-in to his left forearm. The codex doesn't say what it is, nor what he can select as his ranged weapon... If it said he could choose from an armoury, that'd make sense, but instead it makes no mention of any ranged weapons whatsoever.

He used to be able to take a ranged gun pre the new codex, but can't now. So I dunno wtf that arm bit serves for now.

masterofweirdness · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

There are 10 legions, man.

The Emperor created 20 Primarchs, right?

Two were erased from the records. And why? Because GW's plan was to make a balance of one custom legion going to Chaos and the other is a custom chapter that stayed loyal.

Hence, there are 10 Chaos legions and 10 loyalist chapters for the 20 Primarchs.

Ah... you are of course assuming that one looks at the background from an entirely gaming perspective. Fluff is extremely important to us.

I actually think the honest answer to the whole, "missing legion" thing is that GW made up 20... and at the last moment realized that two of the names (one was, IIRC, the Space Sharks) were crap, so they said, "expluged from the records".

And... if I am right, the two missing legions went missing before the Horus Heresy...

Also, at the time, the Loyalists were still called Legions.

Oh, and Erus... I agree with you... to a degree. I would say that if you are going to include multiple cults, do so in only small amounts. I myself will have both Khorne and Nurgle in my army, but the Khornate dudes will only be in small amount... they're really there just because I'm getting some with the battleforce...

Cirative · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

Ah... you are of course assuming that one looks at the background from an entirely gaming perspective. Fluff is extremely important to us.

I actually think the honest answer to the whole, "missing legion" thing is that GW made up 20... and at the last moment realized that two of the names (one was, IIRC, the Space Sharks) were crap, so they said, "expluged from the records".

And... if I am right, the two missing legions went missing before the Horus Heresy...

Also, at the time, the Loyalists were still called Legions.

Yeah, but come on, fluff or not, that's how it is. It makes sense, and it's a genius idea. Who cares if they were missing pre-heresy? That's the whole point to writing your own fluff on how your legion descended!

And yes, pre-heresy they were all legions, but now they're chapters.

10 vs. 10 is how it is, otherwise one would overpower the other because it was so heavily outnumbered. It's the yin-yang effect.

Lord Commander Erus · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

Ah... you are of course assuming that one looks at the background from an entirely gaming perspective. Fluff is extremely important to us.

I actually think the honest answer to the whole, "missing legion" thing is that GW made up 20... and at the last moment realized that two of the names (one was, IIRC, the Space Sharks) were crap, so they said, "expluged from the records".

And... if I am right, the two missing legions went missing before the Horus Heresy...

Also, at the time, the Loyalists were still called Legions.

Oh, and Erus... I agree with you... to a degree. I would say that if you are going to include multiple cults, do so in only small amounts. I myself will have both Khorne and Nurgle in my army, but the Khornate dudes will only be in small amount... they're really there just because I'm getting some with the battleforce...

Actually, that's not quite true.. 'Space Sharks' are a fan creation, iirc. I know if they are a GW creation they had NOTHING to do with the original 20.

They (the original legions) might have went missing before the Heresy.. They might not have.

Think for a moment on the vastness of the Imperium... Compare it to America... Yet over 50% of citizens in a state can't identify their own capitol, or some other basic fact on their country. The Imperium is thousands if not millions of worlds... Some of these worlds are bigger then Earth even, or vastly more populous.

How hard do you think it would be for facts and figures, such as two missing legions of some twenty thousand marines, to an empire of untold billions? Not hard. A lot of the general populace of the Imperium (taken from Dark Adeptus and a few other books here) don't really believe the heresy happened, and traitor marines are lies or just fables to scare children.

Two legions who ****ed up could be hidden easy.

Baron Spikey · 12-13-2007

And of course life isnt fair so it doesn't mean there was 10 legions on either side of the conflict any way...not every legion was the same size so the 12 smallest wouldn't overpower the 8 largest etc.

All stats can go up to maximum of 10, even BS. It wouldn't make any difference as a roll of 1 is ALWAYS a miss (without factoring in a chance to re-roll).

lord marcus · 12-13-2007

every things cheap in life!

Cirative · 12-13-2007

Back on topic: So the Daemon Prince has no ranged weapon(s)? Lame.

Do any Daemons have ranged weapons?

SteveBerenyi · 12-13-2007

unfortunately no.

but when the daemons codex comes out in the spring the Tzeech Horrors probably will.

Cirative · 12-13-2007

I would imagine so, since the Horrors in DoW toss fireballs.

It seems that the developers of DoW got a sneak peek at GW's upcoming models (like how the new Ogryns look exactly like the DoW ones).

Dragoon King · 12-13-2007

I would suggest a shooty Dreadnought, but they are dangerous to EVERYONE! Oblits are a good choice though.

Cirative · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

I would suggest a shooty Dreadnought, but they are dangerous to EVERYONE! Oblits are a good choice though.

Yeah I read up on Chaos dreadnoughts. They're pretty much worth it, the only downfall is rolling a 1 for their Crazed rule.

And I already suggested she get some Obliterators.

Dragoon King · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

Yeah I read up on Chaos dreadnoughts. They're pretty much worth it, the only downfall is rolling a 1 for their Crazed rule.

And I already suggested she get some Obliterators.

Oblits are nice, imagine 3 Multimelta or 3 Plasma Cannons in one squad! The only thing is, the current models are not in synch with the new dex. Oblits only use "energy" weapons now, you might need a little converting! I would love to corrupt a plastic SM dread for Chaos, droppods for Chaos dreads would be NASTY.

Cirative · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

The only thing is, the current models are not in synch with the new dex. Oblits only use "energy" weapons now, you might need a little converting!

Good to know. Same with the Daemon Prince, it seems, since it has a built-in forearm gun that's apparently useless now. Any other out of syncs between models and the new codex?

Dragoon King · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

Good to know. Same with the Daemon Prince, it seems, since it has a built-in forearm gun that's apparently useless now. Any other out of syncs between models and the new codex?

I think those are the only ones. Be sure to model a bolter, bolt pistol and CCW on the CSM tac squads. Oh, the bikers now hold special weapons in their hands, they are not mounted on the bikes.

Cirative · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Be sure to model a bolter, bolt pistol and CCW on the CSM tac squads.

Reason?

Dragoon King · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

Reason?

For WYSIWYG reasons. All CSM tac squads get Bolter, Bolt Pistol and CCW! Except for zerkers and 1ksons. It's like almost all CSM have True Grit, but better! You get the range of the bolter, and still get +1 attack for 2 CCW.

Cirative · 12-14-2007

So today I got her the CSM codex and a 5-man attack squad. Since I own the big 4th edition book, I let her borrow my pocket-size rule book to read along with her codex. I figured it'd be best, since the small version cuts out anything that could lead to confusion.

She also got some superglue and I gave her a practice die.

She's pretty sure she wants to do Tzeentch as a god, so can anyone shed some light on what Tzeentch tactics are and what they're best at (shooty or assaulty)?

Dragoon King · 12-14-2007

Tzeentch equals shooty goodness and nice invun. saves. Has she decided to make her own warband or is she going with 1kSons? I suggest 1kSons, because of the Inferno Bolts, and every tac squad can have a Sorcerer with Forceweapon.

Cirative · 12-14-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Has she decided to make her own warband or is she going with 1kSons? I suggest 1kSons, because of the Inferno Bolts, and every tac squad can have a Sorcerer with Forceweapon.

I know this sounds like a silly newbie question, but doesn't she have to paint the Thousand Sons color scheme on her models if she goes with them? She wants to be able to paint freely...

Dragoon King · 12-14-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

I know this sounds like a silly newbie question, but doesn't she have to paint the Thousand Sons color scheme on her models if she goes with them? She wants to be able to paint freely...

If you go with 1kSons, then I'd stick with the blue and gold. However, if she chooses to make her own warband, then she can paint them anyway she wants. However, the only way to get the Inferno Bolts is to make them 1kSons. The Icon just confers the Inv. save, I think.

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How about throwing in some 1kSons squads in with her own warband, that way she could have the Inferno Bolts and a couple of Sorcerers. Does she plan on making the entire army dedicated to Tzeentch? If so, this would be a good option. Add a Daemon Prince with the Mark of Tzeentch, Wings, Bolt of Change, and Warptime, wow! That would give her some CC power, for sure. Throw in some Oblits, some shooty Termies. Raptors with the Icon might be good too.

Cirative · 12-14-2007

Yeah, that's what I thought (just never had it confirmed before). She'll make her own army. Neither of us like the constraints of using a pre-designed force.

Biadetic · 12-15-2007

well, i dont think you have to paint it blue and gold.
she could paint 1k sons any way she wants... but yea, she'll want those inferno bolts to blow your marines apart ^^

Dragoon King · 12-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Biadetic

well, i dont think you have to paint it blue and gold.
she could paint 1k sons any way she wants... but yea, she'll want those inferno bolts to blow your marines apart ^^

He has a point. Depending on how large she wants the army, you could have 2 squads of 20 1kSons each. Talk about holding the line! Any plans on Greater or Lesser Daemons?

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Cirative Corporal Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 492 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Back on topic: So the Daemon Prince has no ranged weapon(s)? Lame. Do any Daemons have ranged weapons? __________________ <img border="0" src="http://sigs.planetsidestats.net/sig.php?world_id=15&char_id=640717">

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SteveBerenyi Just A Regular Joe. Again Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Butte, Montana Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 194 Thanked 252 Times in 159 Posts Blog Entries: 5	unfortunately no. but when the daemons codex comes out in the spring the Tzeech Horrors probably will. __________________ WIN/DRAW/LOSS On The Battlefield 5 / 1 / 4

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Cirative Corporal Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 492 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	I would imagine so, since the Horrors in DoW toss fireballs. It seems that the developers of DoW got a sneak peek at GW's upcoming models (like how the new Ogryns look exactly like the DoW ones). __________________ <img border="0" src="http://sigs.planetsidestats.net/sig.php?world_id=15&char_id=640717">

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Dragoon King Destruction Manifest Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Loyall, Kentucky Posts: 2,653 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 70 Thanked 95 Times in 73 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I would suggest a shooty Dreadnought, but they are dangerous to EVERYONE! Oblits are a good choice though. __________________ “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

12-14-2007	#48 (permalink)
Cirative Corporal Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 492 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	So today I got her the CSM codex and a 5-man attack squad. Since I own the big 4th edition book, I let her borrow my pocket-size rule book to read along with her codex. I figured it'd be best, since the small version cuts out anything that could lead to confusion. She also got some superglue and I gave her a practice die. She's pretty sure she wants to do Tzeentch as a god, so can anyone shed some light on what Tzeentch tactics are and what they're best at (shooty or assaulty)? __________________ <img border="0" src="http://sigs.planetsidestats.net/sig.php?world_id=15&char_id=640717">

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Baron Spikey Captain Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,577 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 111 Times in 91 Posts	And of course life isnt fair so it doesn't mean there was 10 legions on either side of the conflict any way...not every legion was the same size so the 12 smallest wouldn't overpower the 8 largest etc. All stats can go up to maximum of 10, even BS. It wouldn't make any difference as a roll of 1 is ALWAYS a miss (without factoring in a chance to re-roll).

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Dragoon King Destruction Manifest Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Loyall, Kentucky Posts: 2,653 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 70 Thanked 95 Times in 73 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Tzeentch equals shooty goodness and nice invun. saves. Has she decided to make her own warband or is she going with 1kSons? I suggest 1kSons, because of the Inferno Bolts, and every tac squad can have a Sorcerer with Forceweapon. __________________ “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

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Cirative Corporal Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 492 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Yeah, that's what I thought (just never had it confirmed before). She'll make her own army. Neither of us like the constraints of using a pre-designed force. __________________ <img border="0" src="http://sigs.planetsidestats.net/sig.php?world_id=15&char_id=640717">

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Biadetic Corporal Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Belfast, N. Ireland Posts: 365 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	well, i dont think you have to paint it blue and gold. she could paint 1k sons any way she wants... but yea, she'll want those inferno bolts to blow your marines apart ^^ __________________