Girlfriend chose Chaos - 40K Terra

Cirative · 12-11-2007

So yeah, my girlfriend is a gamer chick and wants to get into 40K.

After viewing every army's available models, she felt drawn to Chaos and really wants to play them.

I'm a loyalist SM player, and I know a fair amount of fluff surrounding Chaos, but nothing about playing with them.

This Friday I'm going to buy her the Chaos codex and possibly a blister.

So, can any Chaos players give some tips/advice and other info? Like, what are good starter units, gods, tactics, etc.?

Lord Commander Erus · 12-11-2007

Chaos is customizable in a way even regular SM can't be... So it really depends on what KIND of army she wants to play. As, under the new Chaos dex.. CSM can do nearly anything.. Has she a stated preference on shooting, assault, etc?

Cirative · 12-11-2007

I haven't really brought that up yet. When we talk tomorrow I'll ask if she'd prefer to be ranged or close combat-oriented.

And yeah, she'll be playing under the new codex rules. But I had no idea Chaos was so adaptable/customizable.

Lord Commander Erus · 12-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

I haven't really brought that up yet. When we talk tomorrow I'll ask if she'd prefer to be ranged or close combat-oriented.

And yeah, she'll be playing under the new codex rules. But I had no idea Chaos was so adaptable/customizable.

Khorne Berserkers are the epitome of SM assault. Tzeentch marked marines have ap 3 bolters and invulnerable saves... Dealdy in shooting. Nurgle marines have the toughness and blight grenades, making them damned good counter assault and attrition fighters. Slaanesh are good at mixed combat, due to +1 I, and the sonic weaponry (24" assault 2 or heavy 3 bolters!!!).

Given that you can now mix ALL of that however you wish.. YOu can literally field anything.. It is truly Chaos to play Chaos!!!

Dragoon King · 12-11-2007

Hmmm. Two words man, Black Legion. They can field ANY Chaos unit, and you can build them for your style of play. If ya want shooty, Tzeecth. If ya want assault, Khorne. If ya like to play defensively, Nurgle. Slaanesh has a nice mix of mid-range shooting and will usally strike first in cc. Heck, she could do her own renegade chapter. Maybe she will give you the taint of Chaos, Cirative, Hahahaa!

Cirative · 12-11-2007

I just talked with her for a second and she said she'd prefer "ranged, probably."

Dragoon King · 12-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Cirative

I just talked with her for a second and she said she'd prefer "ranged, probably."

I'd have to say 1kSons. They are slow however, but I'd say they are the best shooty Chaos army. Get ya some Defilers and Preds, Termies with R. Autocannons. They lack a little in CC. Their sorcerers can be quite deadly. I suggest getting the new Chaos Terminator Lord model, for sure.

Cirative · 12-11-2007

Well I also know this much: she'll be making her own legion, and she wants to be able to field demons and defilers.

masterofweirdness · 12-11-2007

Hmm... work up a background for her "legion" (sure you don't mean fallen chapter?). Then, figure out what God she wants her legion to worship... Tzeentch, Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, or undivided.

If she wants ranged... it seems that Tzeentch or Slaanesh would be the way to go. Probably the best thing to do is once you have a decent idea of what you want... make up a 3000pt army list... throw in whatever you want, and from that build up a 500, 1000 and 1.5k list... working your way up till you reach the 3k mark.

At the same time, if she is going to do a custom fallen chapter... help her do it right! Get some good background, model all the chapters leaders, as well as company commaders. I know that making up names can be insane from 40k... but if you do it right, the whole game will be so much more fun. The entire point of making your own chapter/craftworld/fallen chapter/WAAGH/whatever is that you can model the marines, give them names, make up campaigns which follow their defeats and victories, etc.

That's my opinion on it...

Lord Commander Erus · 12-11-2007

If she is making her own, I reccomend a mix of Tzeentch and Slaanesh, actually.. For ranged army, you can do no better.

Throw in Tz tactical squads as static fire bases, a few (2 or so) squads of noise marines for mobile fire support, a chaos sorcerer w/ lash of submission, soem tz termies, tz havocs (does the icon give apc bolters? if not.. make the termies slaanesh). Then, a defiler or two, and a mass horde of cheap summoned daemons to chew up fire.

Dragoon King · 12-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

If she is making her own, I reccomend a mix of Tzeentch and Slaanesh, actually.. For ranged army, you can do no better.

Throw in Tz tactical squads as static fire bases, a few (2 or so) squads of noise marines for mobile fire support, a chaos sorcerer w/ lash of submission, soem tz termies, tz havocs (does the icon give apc bolters? if not.. make the termies slaanesh). Then, a defiler or two, and a mass horde of cheap summoned daemons to chew up fire.

I think the Icon of Tzeecht only gives the invun. save

. A mix of Slaanesh and Tzeecht sounds nice. Definetly go with Slaanesh termies, a few with Lightning Claws for CC. How about socerer on bike?

Lord Commander Erus · 12-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

I think the Icon of Tzeecht only gives the invun. save

. A mix of Slaanesh and Tzeecht sounds nice. Definetly go with Slaanesh termies, a few with Lightning Claws for CC. How about socerer on bike?

Bike or steed of slaanesh, etc.. SOmething to give him speed, and definitely lash!

Dragoon King · 12-11-2007

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Bike or steed of slaanesh, etc.. SOmething to give him speed, and definitely lash!

Yeah, I forgot about Steeds. How would you model one? Oh jeez, I got you thinking about Slaanesh again LC. NO MORE IDEALS!

Lord Commander Erus · 12-11-2007

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Yeah, I forgot about Steeds. How would you model one? Oh jeez, I got you thinking about Slaanesh again LC. NO MORE IDEALS!

Easy... Power armor upper half GS'd to the tail/lower half of the fantasy Lord Of Slaanesh's steed.

Dragoon King · 12-11-2007

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Easy... Power armor upper half GS'd to the tail/lower half of the fantasy Lord Of Slaanesh's steed.

Sounds good! Would she be well served with Blastmasters? I know you don't like em, but they look good on paper. Then again, so did my Oblits until they got traded off!

experiment 626 · 12-12-2007

a 6-man noise marine squad w/blastmaster is a decent squad to sit back and hold your deployment zone... they have high 'I' + rapid firing weapons for close-in threats and in the meantime they can sit back and smack tanks.

as the others have said, give the codex a good read-through and then sit down and think about what you want to include!

though to get your girlfriend started with a few models, you could always pick her up the 'combat squad' box of chaos marines. it's cheap and gives her 5 basic marines she can use to start coming up with potential colour schemes!

cheers!

Cirative · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

Hmm... work up a background for her "legion" (sure you don't mean fallen chapter?).

I thought Chaos was referred to as legions? I've never heard of the term "fallen chapter" before.

And thanks for the help guys, this should prove to be interesting.

Can anyone elaborate on the half-squad Chaos weakness?

lord marcus · 12-12-2007

only the original 9 chaos forces were the "legions", the newbies are renegade chapters of marines. therefore called fallen chapters.

the half squad was an idea so that she could get some paint schemes going (try a new one on each of the five marines and choose)

Baron Spikey · 12-12-2007

how about being really original and using Chaos Undivided? *holds up hand*

Maybe a minority of units would be dedicated to certain gods but the tactical flexibility of an Undivided army cant be denied, and with morale re-rolls they're going to hang around a good while.

I'd suggest you girl friend buy a box of Chaos Space Marines and think about how she wants them to look (not colour scheme per say) and go from there. Try not to let her fall into the trap of the Changer of Ways who seems to be the Lord of Chaos Smurfs right now (in that every other CSM army seems to be dedicating themselves to him) *still holding up hand*

SBE: Remember when I hold up my hand its because im being serious

Cirative · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by lord marcus

only the original 9 chaos forces were the "legions", the newbies are renegade chapters of marines.

You mean original 10 Chaos forces.

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Originally Posted by lord marcus

the half squad was an idea so that she could get some paint schemes going (try a new one on each of the five marines and choose)

No, I'm referring to Chaos' 50% squad weakness in gameplay. Something like they have to take a leadership test or something. Can anyone shine some light on this for me?

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Originally Posted by baronspikey

how about being really original and using Chaos Undivided? *holds up hand*

I'd suggest you girl friend buy a box of Chaos Space Marines and think about how she wants them to look (not colour scheme per say) and go from there. Try not to let her fall into the trap of the Changer of Ways who seems to be the Lord of Chaos Smurfs right now (in that every other CSM army seems to be dedicating themselves to him) *still holding up hand*

Well, she'll probably go with undivided, and she likes the Greater Daemon of Tzeentch model, so she'll probably grab one of him.

Baron Spikey · 12-12-2007

basically it means like every other army excluding Space Marines (with exclusions in each army for certain traits/units) once a squad drops below its 50% starting strength it can no longer regroup if it flees.

Cirative · 12-12-2007

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Originally Posted by baronspikey

basically it means like every other army excluding Space Marines (with exclusions in each army for certain traits/units) once a squad drops below its 50% starting strength it can no longer regroup if it flees.

Ah, makes sense. So it's not really an army-specific weakness, since all other non-SM armies are the same way... Right?

I need to read up on regrouping now. Because I'm a SM player, I never really read into it much.

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Cirative Arch-Magos Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 494 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Girlfriend chose Chaos So yeah, my girlfriend is a gamer chick and wants to get into 40K. After viewing every army's available models, she felt drawn to Chaos and really wants to play them. I'm a loyalist SM player, and I know a fair amount of fluff surrounding Chaos, but nothing about playing with them. This Friday I'm going to buy her the Chaos codex and possibly a blister. So, can any Chaos players give some tips/advice and other info? Like, what are good starter units, gods, tactics, etc.? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Cirative; 12-11-2007 at 08:49 PM.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,323 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Chaos is customizable in a way even regular SM can't be... So it really depends on what KIND of army she wants to play. As, under the new Chaos dex.. CSM can do nearly anything.. Has she a stated preference on shooting, assault, etc? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Cirative Arch-Magos Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 494 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	I haven't really brought that up yet. When we talk tomorrow I'll ask if she'd prefer to be ranged or close combat-oriented. And yeah, she'll be playing under the new codex rules. But I had no idea Chaos was so adaptable/customizable. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dragoon King Arch Heretic Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cawood, KY Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 69 Thanked 77 Times in 60 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Hmmm. Two words man, Black Legion. They can field ANY Chaos unit, and you can build them for your style of play. If ya want shooty, Tzeecth. If ya want assault, Khorne. If ya like to play defensively, Nurgle. Slaanesh has a nice mix of mid-range shooting and will usally strike first in cc. Heck, she could do her own renegade chapter. Maybe she will give you the taint of Chaos, Cirative, Hahahaa! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

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Cirative Arch-Magos Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 494 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	I just talked with her for a second and she said she'd prefer "ranged, probably." __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Cirative Arch-Magos Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 494 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Well I also know this much: she'll be making her own legion, and she wants to be able to field demons and defilers. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,323 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	If she is making her own, I reccomend a mix of Tzeentch and Slaanesh, actually.. For ranged army, you can do no better. Throw in Tz tactical squads as static fire bases, a few (2 or so) squads of noise marines for mobile fire support, a chaos sorcerer w/ lash of submission, soem tz termies, tz havocs (does the icon give apc bolters? if not.. make the termies slaanesh). Then, a defiler or two, and a mass horde of cheap summoned daemons to chew up fire. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	a 6-man noise marine squad w/blastmaster is a decent squad to sit back and hold your deployment zone... they have high 'I' + rapid firing weapons for close-in threats and in the meantime they can sit back and smack tanks. as the others have said, give the codex a good read-through and then sit down and think about what you want to include! though to get your girlfriend started with a few models, you could always pick her up the 'combat squad' box of chaos marines. it's cheap and gives her 5 basic marines she can use to start coming up with potential colour schemes! cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere between Crewe and Stoke in the Midlands Posts: 1,947 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 73 Thanked 146 Times in 114 Posts Blog Entries: 1	how about being really original and using Chaos Undivided? holds up hand Maybe a minority of units would be dedicated to certain gods but the tactical flexibility of an Undivided army cant be denied, and with morale re-rolls they're going to hang around a good while. I'd suggest you girl friend buy a box of Chaos Space Marines and think about how she wants them to look (not colour scheme per say) and go from there. Try not to let her fall into the trap of the Changer of Ways who seems to be the Lord of Chaos Smurfs right now (in that every other CSM army seems to be dedicating themselves to him) still holding up hand SBE: Remember when I hold up my hand its because im being serious __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Battles Updated Daily (Enter via Insignia)

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Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere between Crewe and Stoke in the Midlands Posts: 1,947 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 73 Thanked 146 Times in 114 Posts Blog Entries: 1	basically it means like every other army excluding Space Marines (with exclusions in each army for certain traits/units) once a squad drops below its 50% starting strength it can no longer regroup if it flees. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Battles Updated Daily (Enter via Insignia)