I want to start Chaos!

[Dravenguild]

I'm already sold on Khorne, but what to get?

I'm thinking of selling my 6k iron templars army for space marines to come up with the funds.

[lord marcus]

i'll buy some of your stuuf, just post pics please, and pm me with a list of what you have.

[Biadetic]

Lol yea mate, post pics and you'll likely sell them here ^^

Anyways, your the same as me ! Im no way a power gamer, so my army is just Khorne Khorne Khorne. I dont care much for fancy tactics.
What i got so far is lots of zerkers :P theyre awesome :P But apart from your chunk of zerkers you might need some shooting support. i didnt want to load up on havocs, so im using Obliterators for my armour hunting lol
Defilers too ^^ spec them either shooty/combat. the new fleet they got makes them even better for running in for CC

[Dravenguild]

Iron Templars

Points- 5,624

Creed- “Iron faith, iron will”

Leader- Chapter Master Korovis Fenix

Divergent chapter traits (Advantages)

-“No Mercy, no respite”

-“Suffer not the work of heretics”

(Disadvantages)

-“Eye to eye”

-“Have faith in suspicion”



[HQ]

-Chapter master Korovis Fenix-

Ws 5, Bs 5, S 4, T 4, W 4, I 5, A 4, Ld 10, Sv 2+/(4+)

Wargear- Sword of the Exalted Templar, Master crafted plasma pistol, Artificer armor, frag grenades.

Sword of the Exalted Templar- Counts as a master crafted power weapon, allows the wielder to not be instantly killed by weapons double its toughness (Taking a single wound instead), and confers a 4+ invulnerable save.

In addition, the sword may be used two handed, which then makes it a Master crafted power fist that ignores invulnerable saves, if two handed then he may not claim the bonus for two close combat weapons. (Must be chosen before commencing close combat)

Skills- Rites of battle, Honor of the chapter, furious charge.

May be accompanied by a command squad, or operate independently, he also may take a dedicated transport.

Points- 180 (Independent character)

*Keep in mind this character may only be used with opponent's consent


Master Adrian Kurgohs- Plasma pistol, power sword, adamantine mantle, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag grenades, melta bombs.

Skills- Rites of battle.

Points- 181

-Master of Sanctity Gabriel Vaenris- Plasma pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Rosarius, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag grenades,

melta bombs.

Skills- Litanies of hate, Honor of the chapter.

Points- 156

Command squad (accompanied)

Champion- Bolt pistol/combat shield, power sword, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag/krak grenades.

Standard- Bolt pistol, chapter banner, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag/krak grenades.

Apothecary- Narthecium and Reductor, bolt pistol, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag/krak grenades.

Sergeant- Master crafted bolter-plasma gun, power sword, terminator honors, Artificer armor, frag/krak grenades.

Space marine- Plasma gun, terminator honors, frag/krak grenades.

Space marine- Plasma gun, terminator honors, frag/krak grenades.

Skills- Furious charge.

(May use Rhino or Landraider)

Points- 351 (679 full squad)

[ELITES]

Dreadnought I “Kurgan”- Missile launcher, lascannon, smoke launchers, extra armor, Venerable.

Skills- Tank hunters

Points- 161

Dreadnought II “Macleod”- Assault cannon, Power claw, smoke launchers, extra armor.

Skills-

Points- 118

Terminator squad I “Fafnir”

Sergeant- Lightning claws.

Terminator- 7 Storm bolters, 1 assault cannon, 1 cyclone missile launcher.

Skills- Tank hunters (Cyclone missile launcher)

Points- 488

Terminator squad II “Cerberus”

Sergeant- Power sword, storm bolter.

Terminator- 7 Storm bolters, 2 heavy flamers.

Skills-

Points- 420

Terminator squad III “Surtur”

Sergeant- Power sword, storm bolter.

Terminator- 5 Storm bolters, 2 assault cannons.

Skills-

Points- 360

[TROOPS]

Tactical squad I “Executus”

Veteran Sergeant- Master crafted Power weapon, close combat weapon, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space Marine- 7 Boltguns, 1 flamer, 1 missile launcher, frag grenades.

Skills- Furious charge, Tank hunters (Missile launcher)

(May use Rhino)

Points- 223 (273)

Tactical squad II “Infernum”

Veteran Sergeant- Plasma pistol, close combat weapon, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 7 Boltguns, 1 flamer, 1 missile launcher, frag grenades.

Skills- Furious charge, Tank hunters (Missile launcher)

(May use Rhino)

Points- 223 (273)

Tactical squad III “Annihilatum”

Veteran Sergeant- Master crafted Power fist, bolt pistol, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 7 Boltguns, 1 plasma gun, 1 heavy bolter, frag grenades.

Skills- Furious charge.

(May use Rhino)

Points- 223 (273)

Tactical squad IV “Vindictum”

Veteran Sergeant- Master crafted power weapon, plasma pistol, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 7 Boltguns, l meltagun, 1 lascannon, frag grenades.

Skills- Furious charge, Tank hunters (Meltagun, lascannon)

(May use Rhino)

Points- 266 (316)

Tactical squad V “Absolution”

Veteran Sergeant- Storm Bolter, close combat weapon, bionics, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 7 Boltguns, 1 plasma gun, 1 Lascannon, frag grenades.

Skills- Furious charge, Tank hunters (Lascannon)

(May use Rhino)

Points- 228 (278)

Rhino I- Pintle mounted storm bolter, smoke launchers, extra armor, HK missile.

Points- 83

Rhino II- Pintle mounted storm bolter, smoke launchers, extra armor, HK missile.

Points- 83

Razorback- Twin-linked Lascannon, pintle mounted storm bolter, smoke launchers, extra armor, HK missile.

Points- 153


[FAST ATTACK]

Assault squad I “Sleipnir”

Veteran Sergeant- Power fist, Master crafted bolter-meltagun, Terminator honors, frag grenades, melta bombs.

Space marine- 7 Bolt pistol and close combat weapon, 1 plasma pistol and close combat weapon, 1 flamer, frag grenades, melta bombs.

Skills- Furious charge.

Points- 330


[HEAVY SUPPORT]

Devastator squad I “Purge”

Veteran Sergeant- Master crafted Power fist, bolt pistol, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 5 Boltguns, 2 Plasma cannon, 2 heavy bolters, frag grenades.

Skills- Tank hunters (Plasma cannons).

(May use Land Raider or Rhino)

Points- 276

Devastator squad II “Obliterate”

Veteran Sergeant- Power sword, close combat weapon, terminator honors, frag grenades.

Space marine- 1 Boltgun, 1 Lascannon, 3 multi-meltas, frag grenades.

Skills- Tank hunters (Lascannon, multi-meltas).

(May use Razorback)

Points- 227 (285)

Vindicator- Pintle mounted storm bolter, power of the machine spirit, extra armor, dozer blade.

Points- 145

Predator Annihilator- Pintle mounted storm bolter, smoke launchers, dozer blade.

Points- 162

Land Raider- HK missile.

Points- 260


Also to note, the models are not spectacular in any way, the most being "gameplay" standard. However, the sergeant of every squad i hand painted to perfection, the rest are sprayed and touched up nicley. The entire command squad is also painted to a higher level than gaming quality.

More when i get pics!, Oh! I also have another 10-man assault squad i didn't add, and a random wraithlord and furioso dreadnought.

[Brother Warchild]

If you start selling let me know i need some chaos stuff.

[Dragoon King]

For heavy support, I suggest a Pred Annihilator. Don't forget that Chaos termies can take a dedicated LR transport too. Defilers are nice. If your using a lot of Bezerkers and CC oriented termies, you really don't need a lot of antitroop HS, so load up on antiarmour weaponry.

[SteveBerenyi]

for some reason i saw the name of this thread and thought to myself "DK must have posted a few times already advocating this guy's descent into chaos..."

looks like i was right :\

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

for some reason i saw the name of this thread and thought to myself "DK must have posted a few times already advocating this guy's descent into chaos..."

looks like i was right :

If it has Chaos anywhere in it, you can be sure I'll be there!

[hairyyahoo]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

for some reason i saw the name of this thread and thought to myself "DK must have posted a few times already advocating this guy's descent into chaos..."

looks like i was right :

my thoughts exactly

Dravenguild: good lords, thats a lota marines! why not just set about converting/repainting them and use 'em as chaos? might save you a lot of tome and money.

[Dragoon King]

Hairy is right. You might wanna think about just coverting them.

[Dravenguild]

Yeah i was thinking that, but the time to strip 120 or so models and 6 tanks to repaint is a large hassle.

Plus i like the whole look of chaos, and as far as things go I think a slaanesh and khorne army fits what i want quite well.

2 squads of noise marines to pin enemy units while 2+ Khorne crazy happy pill berzerkers run in with their lord who has a blissgiver.

That covers troops, as far as elites i'd go slaanesh terminators and the standard power weapon setup, maybe kit one with a chainfist.

Possessed, ah. JUST GOD AWFUL!

Daemon prince or sorceror, whichever is more flexible and give em the mark of the sex god.

Heavies may include some oblits with the mark of khorne, a predator or two.

Fast attack is Slaanesh raptors and slaanesh bikers of course.

[Biadetic]

im a fan of the slaanesh daemon weapon.
instant death despite wounds

[word bearers 81007]

I have been able to test this theory yet but it seems like turbo boosting the bikes on the first turn and then teleporting the terminators into assualt on the second turn from the back side of your enemies lines seem to be like a good idea.

espcially like the oblits for heavy support, but the vindicator's big boom stick seems like a great crowd pleaser. but I would diffently bring a defiler.

[Dravenguild]

Is a defiler a heavy support?

If thats the case 3 of those dedicated with slaanesh or khorne can rip some tanks apart.

[Biadetic]

defilers are HS yes
but you cant dedicate them now

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by word bearers 81007

I have been able to test this theory yet but it seems like turbo boosting the bikes on the first turn and then teleporting the terminators into assualt on the second turn from the back side of your enemies lines seem to be like a good idea.

espcially like the oblits for heavy support, but the vindicator's big boom stick seems like a great crowd pleaser. but I would diffently bring a defiler.

Just remember, you can't assault the turn you Deep Strike in. So if your DS termies, make them shooty, and put your CC oriented ones in a Land Raider. You could also use the bikes to screen your termies, because when you DS them, they will be a target, so you better have some cover or screeners. If you DS the termies the turn you TB, you get a 3+ Invunerable save, so I would suggest not DS them until then.

[Dravenguild]

Man the new dex sucks and lacks customization!

Another thing i don't understand, is why the chaos lord can't take on special abilities that correspond to the troop choice of dedicated gods.

For example, plague marines have feel no pain and blight grenades, so why can't a lord, who has probably survived more campaigns than any other cult marine to reach his esteemed status can't also have blight grenades and feel no pain?

Alos the fact that lords cannot take retinues? Aren't they out for their own gain? If i wanted to achieve sometihng great i would surround myself with like minded individuals to take hits for me.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

Man the new dex sucks and lacks customization!

Another thing i don't understand, is why the chaos lord can't take on special abilities that correspond to the troop choice of dedicated gods.

For example, plague marines have feel no pain and blight grenades, so why can't a lord, who has probably survived more campaigns than any other cult marine to reach his esteemed status can't also have blight grenades and feel no pain?

Alos the fact that lords cannot take retinues? Aren't they out for their own gain? If i wanted to achieve sometihng great i would surround myself with like minded individuals to take hits for me.

Give your lord a Mark. That gives them specialized abilities you want. Check pg. 92 of the dex under options for Chaos Lord. I used a retinue for Abbadon in the 3rd ed., but keep in mind that retinues bring down the stats of an Independent Character (I don't remember which ones, but I think Toughness and Iniative are two stats that go by majority). The new dex isn't that bad, I gripped alot when I first read it, but it really is more streamlined and easier to use than the 3rd ed.

[Biadetic]

does seem a little weird lords dont get that fancy stuff.

but the new dex actually does offer alot more customisation for renegade chapters etc

[Dravenguild]

Nah i've checked the dex, no lord can get any o the cult marine abilities.

Only +1 attack ala Khorne

+1 toughness via Nurgle

+1 Initiative from Slaanesh

Or an increased invulnerable save from the Tzeentch man.

None of which are worth the points seeing as though a chaos lord already has most of those except the useless 4 (5) toughness that doesn't confer saves from S8 weapons that insta kill.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Biadetic

does seem a little weird lords dont get that fancy stuff.

but the new dex actually does offer alot more customisation for renegade chapters etc

Plus it made Abbadon even more powerful, hehehe!

[Biadetic]

i give mine mark of khorne...only cuz im playing world eaters but theyre still kinda nasty. have you any idea what you want to do yet?

[Dravenguild]

Yeha but now any asswipe will use abaddon, there's no creativity now.

The lords are generic, the sorceror and daemon prince will always be abused with the lash.

cult marines are far better than any dedicated chaos marines.

Thousand sons are OP to the max, now people will run 120 thousand sons when they get the money because of force weapons and Ap 3 bolters.

Seriously now what is GW dicking around with us for?

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

Nah i've checked the dex, no lord can get any o the cult marine abilities.

Only +1 attack ala Khorne

+1 toughness via Nurgle

+1 Initiative from Slaanesh

Or an increased invulnerable save from the Tzeentch man.

None of which are worth the points seeing as though a chaos lord already has most of those except the useless 4 (5) toughness that doesn't confer saves from S8 weapons that insta kill.

Are you sure your not looking at the Icon stats?