It's 3 a.m. and I'm thinking way too much about Chaos!

[Biadetic]

it was probably destroyed as his huge claw was nicked by abaddon.
although im liking the toilet theory.... lol

[Cirative]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Is it possible that Abbadon is the BIOLOGICAL son of Horus?

"As a Captain in the Lunar Wolves, Abaddon was the chosen of Horus and was rumoured even to be his clone son. His dedication to Horus was complete and the effect on him of his Primarch’s death at the hands of the Emperor was shattering. Taking the Talon of Horus as his Icon he began down the road to vengeance. He reunified the Sons of Horus under his command renaming them the Black Legion and made pacts with the Infernal powers for their aid. He took the daemon sword Drach’nyen from its crypt and with its power at his disposal lead a succession of Black Crusades out of the Eye of Terror. Abaddon built his reputation with a series of acts of almost suicidal bravery, personally leading attacks into the most heavily defended positions and miraculously prevailing. Gradually it became accepted that the Gods of Chaos themselves had shaped his destiny and that Abaddon was the one who would lead the traitor legions to redemption through victory."

Source:
http://store.us.games-workshop.com/s...ls&code=301826

[Dragoon King]

Was the Defiler built using a captured STC datasheet? Are they any loyalist chapters that will use captured Daemon weapons? (I think the Revilers do, but not sure)

[Biadetic]

Im not sur eon eithe rof them matters DK
but as to the daemon weapon, i wouldnt like to think so, but if they did it would be cool as they would be beaten up/exiled if not destroyed and they can join us !!! mwhahahahaha
its hard enough for a dedicated CSM to weild a daemon weapon so im not sure how a loyalist would use one effectively :\

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Biadetic

Im not sur eon eithe rof them matters DK
but as to the daemon weapon, i wouldnt like to think so, but if they did it would be cool as they would be beaten up/exiled if not destroyed and they can join us !!! mwhahahahaha
its hard enough for a dedicated CSM to weild a daemon weapon so im not sure how a loyalist would use one effectively :

Knowing is half the battle...

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Was the Defiler built using a captured STC datasheet? Are they any loyalist chapters that will use captured Daemon weapons? (I think the Revilers do, but not sure)

I don't think Defilers were buit with a datasheet. I they were ordered into production by Abaddon himself.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Inquisitor Rosenadel

I don't think Defilers were buit with a datasheet. I they were ordered into production by Abaddon himself.

But where did they acquire the technology and facilities to build them? Didn't some of the Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars turn during the Heresy?

[Drax]

thats right, in fact more than half turned, they were to become the Dark Mechanicus.

and no, the defiler isn't an STC, it is an entirely new combo of mechanics and daemon summoning. Abbadon comisioned it, but i don't recall hearing where the inspiration came from

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

But where did they acquire the technology and facilities to build them? Didn't some of the Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars turn during the Heresy?

I'd have to imagine the Dark Mechanicus were heavily involved. But it was Abaddon's idea.

[Baron Spikey]

I remember reading somewhere that the Defiler was based on the Dreadnought in principle. And that one of the Greatest Tech Marines to work with Dreads was commissioned to work on the Defiler.

Until I can find my source for this though please feel free to tell me to shut the hell up

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by baronspikey

I remember reading somewhere that the Defiler was based on the Dreadnought in principle. And that one of the Greatest Tech Marines to work with Dreads was commissioned to work on the Defiler.

Until I can find my source for this though please feel free to tell me to shut the hell up

Yeah, it's basically a big, Daemon possessed Dread. Any ideal who the Techmarine was? I want to know more about the Dark Mechanicus! Did they build the Chaos Titans, or just take them with them when they turned?

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Yeah, it's basically a big, Daemon possessed Dread. Any ideal who the Techmarine was? I want to know more about the Dark Mechanicus! Did they build the Chaos Titans, or just take them with them when they turned?

They do/did both. Read "Dark Mechanicus" (2nd Grey Knights book). It's good.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Inquisitor Rosenadel

They do/did both. Read "Dark Mechanicus" (2nd Grey Knights book). It's good.

If I can ever get my hands on it, I will. Can anyone get me a pic of the Dark Mechanicus? Do you think anyone has done an actual tabletop army of them?

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

If I can ever get my hands on it, I will. Can anyone get me a pic of the Dark Mechanicus? Do you think anyone has done an actual tabletop army of them?

Correction on the book title: "Dark Adeptus" by Ben Counter.

As for a picture, I couldn't find any, but I would assume they look like normal Adeptus, but perhaps slightly daemonic. The Adeptus Mechanicus don't really have much in the way of fleshy limbs to mutate...

As for an army, well, Adeptus Mechanicus armies are rare in the first place, let alone a Dark Mechanicus one. If you were to make one, or some units, just give them some daemonic properties, perhaps invulnerable saves, or rending, or something. Maybe include a daemon in the unit.

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Inquisitor Rosenadel

Correction on the book title: "Dark Adeptus" by Ben Counter.

As for a picture, I couldn't find any, but I would assume they look like normal Adeptus, but perhaps slightly daemonic. The Adeptus Mechanicus don't really have much in the way of fleshy limbs to mutate...

As for an army, well, Adeptus Mechanicus armies are rare in the first place, let alone a Dark Mechanicus one. If you were to make one, or some units, just give them some daemonic properties, perhaps invulnerable saves, or rending, or something. Maybe include a daemon in the unit.

Maybe at some point I will give it a try. I'd have to learn a lot more about them though. Maybe I should post that I'm thinking of building a small force of them, and see if I can get some help?

[Biadetic]

Hmm, perhaps just research them a little more?
read that daemon hunter book, i believe the next daemon hunter book includes khorne and stuff ^^

possibly ask your GW staff.

as to the mechanicus turning during the heresy, yea, horus promised them more power and new exciting toys to play with so they turned to him and legioned Titans and stuff :P

[Dragoon King]

Here's a distubing question guys. I want to know why the GW and FW Bloodthirster models are wearing THONGS!

[Biadetic]

because to be comfy is to beocme lax and off guard ! these "thongs" will keep them angry and chafing and always blood-lusty lol

that or theyre trying to flirt with the greater demons of Slaanesh ^^

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Biadetic

because to be comfy is to beocme lax and off guard ! these "thongs" will keep them angry and chafing and always blood-lusty lol

that or theyre trying to flirt with the greater demons of Slaanesh ^^

You have truly gave me disturbing images in my head. I owe you a beer!

[Biadetic]

awesome ! glad i could help !
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK !!!

[Dragoon King]

I'd like to know a little more fluff on Obliterators, as they are so unique to Chaos. Anyone know when they first appeared?