Kharne vs. Daemon Prince

[Dragoon King]

I've been pretty disappointed with the performance of my Daemon Prince in the last few battles. It has Wings, Mark of Tzeentch, and Warptime (I tried a few shooting psychic powers, but they were ineffective and high in points). Seeing as the DP is mainly a CC unit, would I be better served with Kharne? He is cheaper in points, hits on a 2+, is a smaller target, has more attacks, and is immune to psychic powers. However, the Dp is faster, and has more wounds. What do you think, fellow Chaos followers?

[Wakim]

Kharn

He`s cheaper.

You`ll find that for big fat targets in a serious game the number of wouds won`t matter as the enemy WILL have big fat guns to point at it anyway

Plus, it`s more of a fear factor.

Plus, maybe it`ll change your luck :P



PS Can`t remember Kharn`s rule for allied infantry near him.... but i remember it was smexy and worthwhile

[hairyyahoo]

kharn all the way. a DP is one of the biggest lascannon magnets in the chaos list dispite it being less effective than a tool up lord. it has a scare factor that most people will go to lenghts to remove

[Dragoon King]

I'm pretty sure the DP will be replaced. I'll use him again on occasion. Thing is, he made it into CC and still died like a chump to a Necron Lord with some Warriors and then fell to a 5 man termie squad (although he had lost 2 wounds in that instance).

[Kharne]

Kharne is certainly a CC monster, as is the DP (literally). In my last game, I took a DP with Mark of Tzeentch and warptime/botl of change. I was incredibly lucky with my saves, opponent fired everything in his entire army at it. and only managed to inflict one wound. (1,000 point game) Still, if you play World Eaters, I would definitely pick Kharne.

[Chaos Lord Horus]

yep of course its Kharne, in close combat he hits on a 2+, he has blessing of the blood god! if he isnt within 6" of a sqaud his betrayer rule wont work, and he looks cooler and is cheepa

and youve mostly spelt Kharn wrong, you said kharne

[Imperial Commander Gent]

No, Horus you dont know who we are talking about! We are talking about Kharne, the Khorne Worshiping Carnival worker! He is well known for short stories such as Kharne and his super best friends, or the military classic, Kharne and the 12 Buddhists; a christmas Tragedy!

[Imperial Commander Gent]

Well,m I guess no one found that nearly as funny as I did!

[Biadetic]

Guess not....
Haha

Kharne all the way ^_^
Although i usually tend to kill my own men with him haha

[Raikiri]

just detach him before hitting combat.

kharne is the most effective CC model around in my opinion

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by Raikiri

just detach him before hitting combat.

kharne is the most effective CC model around in my opinion

more effective than abby?

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Wakim

more effective than abby?

On paper, he's right there with the Despoiler. I am looking at Fabius Bile or Huron Blackheart too, but they don't really fit my style. I do like Blackheart, but I don't particuarly like the model, it's cool except the Tyrant's Claw, but I could always customize it. Still, I'm drawn to Kharne, for the points he's a beast. Maybe a Slaanesh Sorcerer on Bike with Lash of Submission to send units Abbadon's way?

[Wakim]

On paper?
There are people that took out 2k points or more with abby in apoc games... never underestimate that guy when he`s backed up by decent rolls (ok, godly rolls, but still)

[Raikiri]

moer effective than abby by far. pepole fear the despoiler. they only think of kharne as a cc guy with some fluff.. WOE betide those fools.

yeskharnes useless outside a cc fight. but once hes ther he cna easily decimate a squad himself. marines necrons eldar tau orks. this guy has single handedly taken out whole squads for me. while his former retinue of zerkers jump on another one

[Dragoon King]

Actually, Kharn is more useful in the Shooting Phase than Abbadon. He has a Plasma Pistol, while Abby only has a combi-bolter. However, I think I've figured out how to make my DP effective. Being a Monstorous Creature, I forgot it could fire twice in the Shooting Phase. Mark of Tzeentch may work for me after all. Lately, I've been thinking Blackheart would be a good choice too. Still, I think Kharn would serve me better than the DP, but it does draw a lot of fire, and that's fine by me, if it gives me the time to get my other units in close. Maybe I should stop targeting infantry with the DP and target vehicles? Your right, Wakim, Abby is VERY effective in CC, but so is Kharn, especially if he charges. I must point out I've never used Kharn on the TT, but his stats say he should be almost as good in CC as Abbadon. I'm not sure Kharn would be as survivable though. Also, the pyschological impact of Abby being on the table cannot be underestimated. I've had friends try to block his route to their important units with Rhinos, Sentinels, even Necron Destroyers. Good thing he's riding in a Land Raider from now on, no more sissy tactics like that. On that point, how best to get Kharn in close?

[Biadetic]

Hey got to love kharns pistol :P

I shot a carnifex with it and wounded him :P Before slicing it to hell with Gorechild

[masterofweirdness]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

On that point, how best to get Kharn in close?

How to get kharn in close? Hmm... sadly, he doesn't seem to like retinues...

Does he have to kill people while in transports? if not, Land Raiders and Rhinos seem to be the answer.

If not... he might just need to hoof it...

[Biadetic]

jut rhino him up the feild and let him go with the unit and if he kills zerkers, even better haha

[Dragoon King]

Well, in the larger scheme of my army, I guess Kharn (I just noticed what Horus said about me misspelling his name, D'OH!) will have to hoof it, since the 2 Land Raiders of mine will transport 5 termies and the other is Abby's ride. Wait a minute, since Abby's is a Heavy support choice, could I put Kharn in his Land Raider?

[Biadetic]

Just be cool like the rest of us zerkers and deepstrike abby haha

Blood for the blood god !!!



Blood for Dragoon King !

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Biadetic

Just be cool like the rest of us zerkers and deepstrike abby haha

Blood for the blood god !!!



Blood for Dragoon King !

Mmmm, blood and fava beans. Does a body good! No no no no, my friend, never DS Abby! He doesn't like it when 50 or so enemy weapons point at him while he twiddles his thumbs for a turn. That's why I'm working on a Land Raider for him as we speak, lol.

[masterofweirdness]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Mmmm, blood and fava beans. Does a body good! No no no no, my friend, never DS Abby! He doesn't like it when 50 or so enemy weapons point at him while he twiddles his thumbs for a turn. That's why I'm working on a Land Raider for him as we speak, lol.

This could work out though. Everyone shoots abby, thus saving Kharn, your land raiders, and various other juicy targets from one turn of shooting.

Of course... losing 275 points for that might not be worth it...

[Capitano]

yes but as they kill the single guy worth 275 points kharn the land raiders and termies are close enough to rip apart 500-1000k worth of points...put kharn in a big squad and get those points up there...haha

[Biadetic]

Or, take two sides, abby and big retinue on one side, kharn and his retinue on other and bolt up the sides (in tanks if you want) herefore forcing your enemy to attempt to concentrate fire on 1 of them. Whichever they pick, theyre probably going to have one crash right into their side and neither, my friends, are very nice

[Vishnoff]

I think Kharn is the way to go. A close second for me is Huron Blackheart. He has the powerfist and the power weapon, so he is the go to guy for any situation; tank-no problem, smurf leaders-got it covered. Not to mention the quasi twin linked flamer is complete heaven.

Although, I did notice that you ant a heavy hitting cc monster that happens to be somewhat fast. How about a Chaos lord on a beast of slaanesh? You get fast movement, decent attacks and WS, not to mention the lash of submission.

My 2 cents.