5th Ed Information from Bell of Lost Souls

[Spartan-11755]

Information from Bell of Lost Souls

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Hi all,

Today we hear the following hints and whispers regarding the upcoming release:


RULEBOOK

* You may ‘Run’ after deepstriking
* Deepstrike Mishap Table (roll when you scatter onto other models or off table) is 1-2: Dead, 3-4: Opponent places your models down, 5-6: Units get placed into reserve again.
* Turn 5 your reserves automatically come on (unless they were placed back in Reserve)
* Swarms have an amended USR to state they are never scoring.
* All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives

BOXED SET
Yet more information points to a very cut down rulebook that only allows play with the included models. The transport rules for example are not included, and none of the basic missions at all.

Ultramarines

* 1 Marine Captain with Powersword. Very ornate with a large cape many tassels. He amazingly has hair!
* 10 Marine Tactical Squad. Sergeant with Bolt pistol and CCW. Missile Launcher, Flamer. ~the old school classic
* 1 Dreadnought: Multimelta and Stormbolter.
* 5 Terminators: 1 Sergeant with Powersword. The squad has Stormbolters and Powerfists with no heavy weapon provided. ~I believe you get some spare heavy weapons with the standard Terminator boxed set so making 2 squads should still work out normally
* The marines are described as exceptional and you will have a difficult time telling them apart from the fully poseable models. Skuttlebutt says these have tactical symbols and and Ultramarine symbol molded onto them.

Orks

* Ork Warboss is VERY LARGE. He’s armed with a twin-linked shoota and Klaw. He is holding his power klaw out to the side pointing with one of the claws.
* 20 Ork boyz split into two 10-boy mobs. Each has a big shoota. Reportedly indistinguishable from the regular ork boyz.
* 5 Nobs: All are armed with slugga & choppa. Large models.
* 3 Deff Koptas: AMAZING! The standouts of the boxed set. They are described to be very much like the one depicted in the ork codex. Standard orky construction with spare parts and bitz all over. State of the art detail for snap-fit models.

~As usual, caveat emptor, and time will tell. Sources indicate that some of the models provided are aimed at existing gamers and provide things that are not currently available any other way (deffcoptas, Multi-melta dread). Overall, I think I have to side with GW on this one and support the cut down rulebook. As I mentioned in an earlier post, they are treading a fine line of needing to train up new players into the hobby while maximizing sales of the big rulebook to the entire community. Its a tough call, and I think its the right one. Let us know what you think. (and remember, no chairs!)

[experiment 626]

our manager has seen the first cut of the sprues from this box actually!

- the marine captain is apparentle possable!
- no weapon upgrades models for any marine squads? however, all 10 spce marines are in different posses.
- tactical markings yes, but no ultramarine chapter badge - those are on our new 'paint class' marines! other details include things like bolter straps though!
- the warboss's power klaw blades are all different sizes. (truely orky!)
- again, no weapon upgrades for the boyz
- nobz are indeed massive! think along the lines of space marine:terminator = ork boy:nob...
- deff koptaz come with both twin-linked shoota & rokkit launcha bitz?! (well, he was shown photos of both weapon fits so who knows!)

of corse, this was all shown to the managers back in march, so things can change... still, just thought i'd throw out what info we know!

cheers!

[Colonel Marbi Chora]

Ohhhh, my my. I might have to get the boxed set, and sell all the orks! Does it come with terrain like in BFM, or not? just asking if you know.

[masterofweirdness]

If this rumor of a rulebook without all the rules is true... I may never get to play 5th ed...

At least... not unless I want to get an illegal copy or fedex a real copy to me...

I liked the small rulebook...

[Tz33nch]

i wonder how nasty the new models will be. but since i can use them i will get it still. anyone know if they are gonna be limited pose and detail?

[Dan296]

cool set, but now GW wants you to have to buy the BBB even if you get the starter set! wth!

[Dravenguild]

Very nice, I just hoped though that GW would allow more customization in their starter sets.

[Spartan-11755]

iirc it was stated that the models are all the real models minus a few items

[experiment 626]

all the starter set models aside from the captain/warboss are pretty much the same style 2-3 piece 'snap fit'...
however, the level of detail in these new ones is easily as good as the regular tactical squad/ork boyz sets gives you! (and the marines are said to be even better in some respects like the bolter straps!)

but no, the new starter set models will not be the trashy slimplified stuff like you currently get in the macragge set.

cheers!

[Dravenguild]

I'm glad, i am not glad though about the new dex rumors. I like all i've heard thus far except that the only way to deviate from normal SM organization is to include a codex special character.

Kind of defeats the purpose of having a custom army when you take SALAMANDERS chapter master Tu'Shan or CRIMSON FISTS Pedro Kantor, may as well slap some insigs on my marines right now to compensate.

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

I'm glad, i am not glad though about the new dex rumors. I like all i've heard thus far except that the only way to deviate from normal SM organization is to include a codex special character.

Kind of defeats the purpose of having a custom army when you take SALAMANDERS chapter master Tu'Shan or CRIMSON FISTS Pedro Kantor, may as well slap some insigs on my marines right now to compensate.

dravenguild, there is actually a thread for discussing the specifics likes/dislikes of the new space marine codex here; Space Marines: The Next Generation (leaked info inside)

please post your opinions about everything space marine there! just to keep things nice and tidey and on-topic
we'd like to keep this thread just on the basic general 5th edition rules themselves and the new starter kit...

cheers!

[Templar Mikeel]

Rather than start yet another 5th edition thread, I thought I'd just pass this on here, from Bell of Lost Souls.

Originally Posted by Bell of Lost Souls

Sunday, May 25, 2008

RUMORS: 5th Edition Changes


So we are getting close, and there are numerous reports of hardcover rulebook sightings at various spots over the globe. Here is what the birds are singing into our ears:

Firstly, the rule-set has hundreds of minor changes all over the place. It is a different game so we will all need to really take the time to re-read every sentence carefully as many, many subtle changes have been made all over the place. It isn't a case of the same game with just a handful of major changes.

Secondly, the leaked PDF must have been quite early as there are many, many changes from it.

Here is a set of some of the larger individual items we've been hearing:

• BS of 6 and higher made it in.
• Wound allocation by model is in (meaning special models may be lost early)
• Torrent of Fire is gone
• Intervening models (friend or foe) grant a 4+ cover save to the target unit
• There is no longer any consolidating into new squads in assault (only charging can do this)
• Only engaged models may fight (like now), but casualties can be pulled from anywhere
• Powerfists only get the +1 attack if you have a pair (like lightingclaws)
• Monstrous creatures do fire 2 weapons per turn
• Vehicle LoS for sponsons and various weapons are now defined through a ton of charts
• Obscured and skimmers moving fast now grants a cover save vs damage (and it is a cover save so chew on that for the full implications)
• Assault Attacks versus vehicles with no WS are resolved against rear armor
• Vehicle Squadron rules are very different
• Vehicle Ramming is in (and skimmers get a dodge save to avoid it against non-skimmers)

~Thats just scratching the surface here folks. As I've said earlier, many, many, many things have been revised throughout the entire ruleset, so expect to adjust you tactics. Its a new game. Caveat Emptor's apply until we get a look at the actual book in person.

[Capitano]

hey all I know is I am a happy camper

[TerminatorinHell]

is the emperor dead? on BnC i heard that he will be soon and humanity is screwed

[Spartan-11755]

son The Emporers been dead a long long time... its his soul thats gone...his body is a lifeless husk atm Cypher is trying to ress him Enjoy...

[Munch-Kin]

Ok well all of what has been said is real. There is a tone of other tings as well. I've played a few games using 5th edition and i can say it's made me change my army lists around a fair bit but it's a nice change from 4th edition. Not sure if i'll prefer it or not in the long run.