5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT - Page 3 - 40K Terra

Brother Warchild · 01-20-2008

As far as the new rules go.When they change i will either b.tch or howl with joy either way i will still play,paint and talk to you all on TERRA.We can b.tch or howl together.

TheKiller333 · 01-20-2008

The censored word part is my job. In fact, I think I'm due to get angry.

Brother Warchild · 01-20-2008

It feels like there's a storm coming,better get your boots on Brother.

TheKiller333 · 01-20-2008

It just did. Check the Chaos - The Rant post. =]

Wakim · 01-20-2008

Ikky, why are some of the rules in the first post in quotes while others aren`t?

Icarus Athrasuriel · 01-20-2008

The sniper rules for rending are probably the most realistic. Now, we've got sniper rifles that can fire through a foot wide block of concrete from up to a mile away, and can tear through an APC with ease from half that distance.

Wakim · 01-20-2008

That gun must be as big as the Space Marine :P

Icarus Athrasuriel · 01-20-2008

Length wise, maybe?

Barrett M82 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Raufoss Mk 211 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wolfpack · 01-20-2008

I am not likeing the movement rules...at all I mean fast movers are now reduced in movement by 6 inches and cannot fire any weapons?...that totally screws the whole idea of having landspeeders in an army...WTF is GW up to now?

DrunkenMaster · 01-20-2008

The more I read the more I see this is vs 4.1

But I thought 4.0 should have been called 3.1

Icarus Athrasuriel · 01-20-2008

So it's v3.2, really.

Baron Spikey · 01-20-2008

I'm loving this so far- very tactical. Do you power ahead at full tilt in a tank to close with the enemy, go slowly so your firing 1 gun (and pintle-mount), or stay still and risk being taken out but at the same time unleashing everything at the enemy?

As Erus has wisely said, wait till we get more info before we jump on the 'It's-a pile-of-crap band wagon'.

Wakim · 01-20-2008

They must add new rules to ballance out this things... there`s a reason fast vehicles are underarmored, it`s because they`re FAST.

Aaand... it seems to encourage stationary tau armies... so that makes objective based missions a must

kenshin620 · 01-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikarus

Well my argument is this - why need a tank in the first place now.

Just go troops with heavy guns ~

Yea, those havocs/flashgitz/devsquads/supportplatforms/heavyweaponplatoons are starting to look good (9 auto guns per platoon FTW!)

Lord Commander Erus · 01-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfpack

I am not likeing the movement rules...at all I mean fast movers are now reduced in movement by 6 inches and cannot fire any weapons?...that totally screws the whole idea of having landspeeders in an army...WTF is GW up to now?

Does no one listen to a damned word I say? Seriously.. *taps imaginary mic* This thing even on? lol

You guys just need to calm WAAAAAAAYYYYY down before you panic.

Wakim · 01-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Does no one listen to a damned word I say? Seriously.. *taps imaginary mic* This thing even on? lol

You guys just need to calm WAAAAAAAYYYYY down before you panic.

Who panicked?

You don`t need to panic to ***** about something

Astrotrain · 01-20-2008

Well I'm not set on buying new sets of ground forces to replace my my tanks.
Hopefully theres some thing more to this like new tanks,cheaper tanks,New upgrades,or something lurking in the back that will appeal to the tread heads.
If GW messes this up then there will be a whole new lot of battletech players soon.

Lord Commander Erus · 01-20-2008

Well, look at the newer SM dex's.. Rhinos dropped in points a LOT. And those are supposed to be indicative of the 5th edition as a whole, so... Not so bad.

Astrotrain · 01-20-2008

realy? What was the difference in pts?

Captain Slow · 01-20-2008

well chaos rhinos are now: 35pts with smoke launcher and pintle mounted twin linked bolter. 35pts is not bad at all really for an armour 11/11/10 troop transport is it?

Lord Commander Erus · 01-20-2008

Nope...

Sure, extra armor is like, 15 pts-sh, but, meh.. It works.

Dragoon King · 01-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Warchild

As far as the new rules go.When they change i will either b.tch or howl with joy either way i will still play,paint and talk to you all on TERRA.We can b.tch or howl together.

That's a good point. We can look forward to months of pissing and moaning after the release!

Ikarus · 01-20-2008

SINCE ITS SUNDAY~ lets talk about all the vehicle rules

Fast Vehicles -

Can shoot all at Combat Speed
Can shoot 1 at Cruising Speed
Can shoot nothing at Flat Out Speed

Skimmers -
Vehicle Ignores Terrain
Vehicle must move at Cruising Speed or Flat Out to get OBSCURED bonus

Walkers-
Can shoot one gun at Combat Speed

Defensive Weapons - Str 4 or under

Pintle & Turret Mounted Weapons get 360 Degress LoS
Sponson = 180 Degrees LoS
Hull = 45 Degrees LoS

AP1 - Adds +1 to Damage table results
AP 0 - Subtracts -1 to Damabe Table results

Single Universal Vehicle Damage Table -
1 or less : Crew Shaken
2 : Crew Stunned
3 : DAMAGED -Weapon Destroyed
4 : DAMAGED - Immobilized
5 : DESTROYED - Vehicle
6 : DESTROYED - Vehicle Explodes (d6'' Str 3 AP - explosion)

Glancing = - 2
AP - = -1
AP 1 - = + 1
Opened Top + 1

Obscured - If tank is obscured it gets a 4+ sv to ignore Glance or Penetration results.

Passengers on a Vehicle Shaken ed - Crew no Affected
Passengers on a Vehicle Stunned - Can not Disembark
Passengers on a Vehicle Damaged 4 - No Effect
Passengers on a Vehicle Destroyed 5 - Disembarks Vehicle + Pinning test
Passengers on a Vehicle Destroyed 6 - Disembarks Vehicles + Suffers Str 4 AP - Hit + Pinning test

Assault Against Vehicles - If vehicles move in this speed then ->
Stationary - Auto Hit
Combat Speed - 4+
Cruising Speed - 6+

Wakim · 01-20-2008

I say ****ty pootey pants about the fast vehicles nerf.

Wheren`t the rules for weapon line of sight the same?

other than i don`t care that much

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Brother Warchild Lodge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Fenris-AKA-Olympia Washington Posts: 2,512 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 655 Thanked 261 Times in 199 Posts	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT As far as the new rules go.When they change i will either b.tch or howl with joy either way i will still play,paint and talk to you all on TERRA.We can b.tch or howl together. __________________ Check out the Librarium and the Battlefield My Stuff ( links ) Lupercal! A truescale Luna Wolf's W.I.P Wolves of Fenris A Space Wolve's W.I.P Death Guard, Land Raider W.I.P Legion of the Damned W.I.P Tricks of the Trade

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Brother Warchild Lodge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Fenris-AKA-Olympia Washington Posts: 2,512 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 655 Thanked 261 Times in 199 Posts	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT It feels like there's a storm coming,better get your boots on Brother. __________________ Check out the Librarium and the Battlefield My Stuff ( links ) Lupercal! A truescale Luna Wolf's W.I.P Wolves of Fenris A Space Wolve's W.I.P Death Guard, Land Raider W.I.P Legion of the Damned W.I.P Tricks of the Trade

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Wakim Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,115 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 73 Times in 57 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT Ikky, why are some of the rules in the first post in quotes while others aren`t? __________________

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Icarus Athrasuriel Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Candy Cane Forest of LIES!! Or Glasgow. Posts: 966 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 18 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT The sniper rules for rending are probably the most realistic. Now, we've got sniper rifles that can fire through a foot wide block of concrete from up to a mile away, and can tear through an APC with ease from half that distance. __________________

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Wakim Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,115 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 73 Times in 57 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT That gun must be as big as the Space Marine :P __________________

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wolfpack The Great Wolf Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BFE Kentucky Posts: 2,235 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 42 Thanked 69 Times in 53 Posts	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT I am not likeing the movement rules...at all I mean fast movers are now reduced in movement by 6 inches and cannot fire any weapons?...that totally screws the whole idea of having landspeeders in an army...WTF is GW up to now? __________________ I am Wolfpack, my fangs are long, my hair grey with age...I am The Great Wolf...I fight with bolter and Axe, my armies vast, my word final. A true son of Russ, my honor above all, I hunt the heretic, the xenos, and the witch and slay them where they stand! My sons hunt our enemies, slay them where they falter and bring their pelts to Fenris The 40K Terra Second Company

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DrunkenMaster Trooper Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 76 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT The more I read the more I see this is vs 4.1 But I thought 4.0 should have been called 3.1 __________________

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Baron Spikey Captain Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,577 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 111 Times in 91 Posts	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT I'm loving this so far- very tactical. Do you power ahead at full tilt in a tank to close with the enemy, go slowly so your firing 1 gun (and pintle-mount), or stay still and risk being taken out but at the same time unleashing everything at the enemy? As Erus has wisely said, wait till we get more info before we jump on the 'It's-a pile-of-crap band wagon'.

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Wakim Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,115 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 73 Times in 57 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT They must add new rules to ballance out this things... there`s a reason fast vehicles are underarmored, it`s because they`re FAST. Aaand... it seems to encourage stationary tau armies... so that makes objective based missions a must __________________

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Astrotrain Trooper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 88 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT Well I'm not set on buying new sets of ground forces to replace my my tanks. Hopefully theres some thing more to this like new tanks,cheaper tanks,New upgrades,or something lurking in the back that will appeal to the tread heads. If GW messes this up then there will be a whole new lot of battletech players soon. __________________ I post here too- http://www.unicorncottagecompany.com/phpbb2/index.php

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Lord Commander Erus First Chaplain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,395 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 170 Thanked 343 Times in 223 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT Well, look at the newer SM dex's.. Rhinos dropped in points a LOT. And those are supposed to be indicative of the 5th edition as a whole, so... Not so bad. __________________ "Truth is infinite. It is defined by our perception of the facts; therefore we can never know absolute truth, we can only guess at it. A man who knows he has done no wrong needs no redemption, regardless of the views of others. The truth is what he believes it to be. A man who knows he has done wrong can only be redeemed when he chooses to forgive himself." -Lord Inquisitor Balkoth Black Saints Adeptus Astartes Chapter

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Astrotrain Trooper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 88 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT realy? What was the difference in pts? __________________ I post here too- http://www.unicorncottagecompany.com/phpbb2/index.php

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Captain Slow Corporal Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: THE MOON!!! no seriously. Posts: 414 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 17 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT well chaos rhinos are now: 35pts with smoke launcher and pintle mounted twin linked bolter. 35pts is not bad at all really for an armour 11/11/10 troop transport is it? __________________ 40K games W / L / D 17 27 8 Next Game: 500pts Combat patrol Red Scorpions mechanised VS Tau Last Game: 750pts The Scions Of Ares (DA, Mech) VS The Angels Encarmine Result: Loss Reason? If the Death company dreado had not contested in the turn 7, the game would have been a draw Will Photoshop for food!!: "oh look, pretty explosions" Attributed to: Anon

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Lord Commander Erus First Chaplain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,395 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 170 Thanked 343 Times in 223 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT Nope... Sure, extra armor is like, 15 pts-sh, but, meh.. It works. __________________ "Truth is infinite. It is defined by our perception of the facts; therefore we can never know absolute truth, we can only guess at it. A man who knows he has done no wrong needs no redemption, regardless of the views of others. The truth is what he believes it to be. A man who knows he has done wrong can only be redeemed when he chooses to forgive himself." -Lord Inquisitor Balkoth Black Saints Adeptus Astartes Chapter

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Ikarus God-Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 1,594 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 68 Thanked 375 Times in 140 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT SINCE ITS SUNDAY~ lets talk about all the vehicle rules Fast Vehicles - Can shoot all at Combat Speed Can shoot 1 at Cruising Speed Can shoot nothing at Flat Out Speed Skimmers - Vehicle Ignores Terrain Vehicle must move at Cruising Speed or Flat Out to get OBSCURED bonus Walkers- Can shoot one gun at Combat Speed Defensive Weapons - Str 4 or under Pintle & Turret Mounted Weapons get 360 Degress LoS Sponson = 180 Degrees LoS Hull = 45 Degrees LoS AP1 - Adds +1 to Damage table results AP 0 - Subtracts -1 to Damabe Table results Single Universal Vehicle Damage Table - 1 or less : Crew Shaken 2 : Crew Stunned 3 : DAMAGED -Weapon Destroyed 4 : DAMAGED - Immobilized 5 : DESTROYED - Vehicle 6 : DESTROYED - Vehicle Explodes (d6'' Str 3 AP - explosion) Glancing = - 2 AP - = -1 AP 1 - = + 1 Opened Top + 1 Obscured - If tank is obscured it gets a 4+ sv to ignore Glance or Penetration results. Passengers on a Vehicle Shaken ed - Crew no Affected Passengers on a Vehicle Stunned - Can not Disembark Passengers on a Vehicle Damaged 4 - No Effect Passengers on a Vehicle Destroyed 5 - Disembarks Vehicle + Pinning test Passengers on a Vehicle Destroyed 6 - Disembarks Vehicles + Suffers Str 4 AP - Hit + Pinning test Assault Against Vehicles - If vehicles move in this speed then -> Stationary - Auto Hit Combat Speed - 4+ Cruising Speed - 6+ __________________ Ask not what the Emperor can do for you, but what you can do for the Emperor. BLOOD ANGELS 2k - Angels of Angryz!!

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Wakim Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,115 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 73 Times in 57 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: 5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT I say ***ty pootey pants about the fast vehicles nerf. Wheren`t the rules for weapon line of sight the same? other than i don`t care that much __________________ Last edited by Wakim; 01-20-2008 at 11:33 AM.*