5th EDITION - PRELEAK INFO GIVEOUT

[Spartan-11755]

Ok.. I'm steppin in here for one quick snipit..GW likes to release "False info" with real stuff to screw with people they have been doing this for god knows how long now I don't trust Leak info worth a dime really Show me the real "Thing" which I will get to see i'm sure at some point comin up...but really...Calm...

[Brother_Ambrose]

I'm thinking I'm not buying the new rule book...too much remodeling...I'd have to take the sponsons off my Preds... Dark Angels should now NEVER take land speeders, seeing as they're 100 points and now they're not only over costed, but also nerfed crap. I think I'm staying with 4th edition unless they make some major changes... Str. 4 Defensive weapons is completely stupid. They're nerfing tanks so they can make more money, plain and simple. They make more money on troops than they do on tanks. Why would only troops be able to score? My assault marines don't count as scoring? Why? Because they have jet packs? ???WTF??? GW is going to lose a lot of people over this...

[Wakim]

maybe they make bikes free :P

[SteveBerenyi]

Originally Posted by Ikarus

More Rules:


RUN!
In their Shooting phase units may choose not to fire and run instead, immediately moving D6” inches
(a rather popular choice for units that do not have ranged weaponry!).
Running movement is not affected by difficult terrain – it is always a flat D6” (but models running
through dangerous terrain must test as normal).
Units that run cannot assault in the following Assault phase.

Unforyunately i dont see it happening,.

Any word on NEW VDRs?

[Dragoon King]

I'm wondering how the new rulebook will effect Apoc battles...

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

Unforyunately i dont see it happening,.

Any word on NEW VDRs?

Heh well the rule is directly copy and pasted from the new test rulebook.


Either someone has too much times on their hands
Or this rule is true.

[hammerandbrush]

OOOOOkay someone never served in the military. The M1 Abrams tank has a gyrostabilization system that allows the main gun to be fired with surprising accuracy while driving at full tilt. There are videos from the Army of an M1 at full speed hitting a hill, firing the cannon perpendicular to the tanks path, catching air, and landing again and keeps going.

Your telling me 40,000 years in the future no one of any of the races can come up with that but they can come up with anti-gravity flying tanks?

So pretty much the dark eldar and space marine land speeders and eldar vypers are pretty useless, fantastic I love new editions that screw over entire armies. Because its always such a good idea for dark eldar to move their transports and tanks 6"-12" a turn so they can shoot anything because as we all know the dark eldar tanks have such fantastic armor.

Thanks my friends and I will be ignoring the continued idiocy of games development and keep with our Battlefleet Gothic campaign.

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

I'm thinking I'm not buying the new rule book...too much remodeling...I'd have to take the sponsons off my Preds... Dark Angels should now NEVER take land speeders, seeing as they're 100 points and now they're not only over costed, but also nerfed crap. I think I'm staying with 4th edition unless they make some major changes... Str. 4 Defensive weapons is completely stupid. They're nerfing tanks so they can make more money, plain and simple. They make more money on troops than they do on tanks. Why would only troops be able to score? My assault marines don't count as scoring? Why? Because they have jet packs? ???WTF??? GW is going to lose a lot of people over this...

Directly taken from the pre-release:


Scoring units
Normally a campaigning army employs the squads
making up the bulk of its fighting force to dig in
and consolidate any territorial gains, while the
most specialised units forge ahead to engage the
enemy with lightning-fast assaults and massive
armoured trusts.

The concept of scoring units is central to two of
the Standard Missions, which are won or lost by
capturing and holding more objectives than the
enemy, and only scoring units may do that.
An army’s scoring units are all the units that come
from its Troops allowance. There are only three
exceptions when a unit of Troops does not count
as scoring:

• if it is falling back at the end of the game
• if it is a vehicle
• if it has a special rule specifying it never counts
as scoring.


STANDARD MISSIONS CHART
D6 Roll Mission
1-2 Recon
3-4 Take and Hold
5-6 Total Annihilation


Yes There are only three types of standard missions.


The reasoning is right. Troops will provide the mainstay. This is just pushing 40k in Troophammer and which could be good and bad..

People focus on specialty units tons~

[Astrotrain]

I had to look at my calender to see if this was a bad April fools day joke.If this holds true I think i'll wait till 6th ed and get back into video games or something.I am not buying 9 hvy weapons teams at 35USD apiece to replace my tanks that only cost 40USD each.Not only that but the new rules make the plasma and melta sponsons useless on a demolisher.Oh man for GW's sake I hope these are lies or else I'm going to have to stop surrendering my paychecks to them.

[Astrotrain]

Originally Posted by hammerandbrush

OOOOOkay someone never served in the military. The M1 Abrams tank has a gyrostabilization system that allows the main gun to be fired with surprising accuracy while driving at full tilt. There are videos from the Army of an M1 at full speed hitting a hill, firing the cannon perpendicular to the tanks path, catching air, and landing again and keeps going.

Your telling me 40,000 years in the future no one of any of the races can come up with that but they can come up with anti-gravity flying tanks?

So pretty much the dark eldar and space marine land speeders and eldar vypers are pretty useless, fantastic I love new editions that screw over entire armies. Because its always such a good idea for dark eldar to move their transports and tanks 6"-12" a turn so they can shoot anything because as we all know the dark eldar tanks have such fantastic armor.

Thank you.That summed it up entirely.I think GW needs to study the modern military more instead of looking at wars that were fought 60-80 years ago.

[Heroka Vendile]

I can see this as being both reasonable and daft. Two sides of the same coin that must be carefully balanced. I think GW have tipped just a tad too far into the daft side, over-compensating for those armies that feature just 10men to cover both troop sections and a tonne of FA, HS and Elites.

[Ikarus]

I have not released all the information on this 5th edition preleak.
More will come daily =) Lodge gets first dibs, but should be at a constant rate to generate some interesting ideas~

It seems very legit, but sources says this release was made in Jun 2007.

In this pre-release, there are sections in here that are clearly NOT FINISHED, this results in the ALPHA stage of 5th edition.

So take everything with a grain of salt.




Furthermore - there will only be three standard missions. 2 are objective based.

[Spartan-11755]

Thank you Ikarus.....I was trying to tell the people not to think that all the rules were real or final....Gw likes to tease they also like to try out things..... btw this is from last year....

[r4wr89]

Originally Posted by hammerandbrush

OOOOOkay someone never served in the military. The M1 Abrams tank has a gyrostabilization system that allows the main gun to be fired with surprising accuracy while driving at full tilt. There are videos from the Army of an M1 at full speed hitting a hill, firing the cannon perpendicular to the tanks path, catching air, and landing again and keeps going.

Your telling me 40,000 years in the future no one of any of the races can come up with that but they can come up with anti-gravity flying tanks?

So pretty much the dark eldar and space marine land speeders and eldar vypers are pretty useless, fantastic I love new editions that screw over entire armies. Because its always such a good idea for dark eldar to move their transports and tanks 6"-12" a turn so they can shoot anything because as we all know the dark eldar tanks have such fantastic armor.

Thanks my friends and I will be ignoring the continued idiocy of games development and keep with our Battlefleet Gothic campaign.

just fyi, i am REASONABLY sure [ie, not completely] sure that russes do indeed have what you speak of. and besides, it's fluff. it's written by people, not lived by people. i'm not sure how serving in the military would help you know that. if you really want to criticize a game that much, make your own. i hate to be blunt or almost curt, but that's how i see it. games design is impossibly difficult, involving lots of math and economics, and countless hours of rebalancing. the same steps are involved in developing new 40k rules as is making your original BFG rules.

someone said that leaking info was mostly to screw with people, i don't think so. think about this: if GW were to spend MONTHS playtesting it, they have to 1. pay their employees to play hundreds of games to make sure everything [or mostly everything] is fair, reasonable, and running smoothly, and 2. wait a LONG time before releasing the rulebook [which, btw, would likely sell pretty well initially].
if they leak information onto the forums, like warseer especially, where some bigshot GW employees post, they can have people playtest it for free AND give feedback for free, at an exponentially faster pace than if they were to simply test it endlessly. right ?

[MiniWarhouse]

I think linking info is to arouse interest and build up 40k activity.

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by 40kDirect

I think linking info is to arouse interest and build up 40k activity.

and... what?

Well, thanks for sharing your thoughts though

[r4wr89]

haha what do you mean by "and what " ? well if they are stirring interest, i would assume more people would just up and buy the rulebook ? i dunno...haha
and i think 40kdirect might be ikky on a second, specialized account. maybe ? :P

[Wakim]

Might be right

Sounded like the usual "you`re just doing this to get more hits on your site, you bastards" kind of comment at first glance

Didn`t notice the name :P

[canada199]

Does anyone know when we should expect to see 5th edition hit the market?

[Lord Commander Erus]

Supposedly this summer.

[r4wr89]

yea. i've also heard late summer to early-mid fall. so sometime later this year ? :]

[The Sword 88]

SO far I like all the non-tank rules. Only troops as scoring units is cool and makes sense IMO. I like the run thing and the fewer standard missions so tourney prep is easier. But the tank thing is killing me, I love tanks and I understand a bit of a firepower nerf would be could but a good sized vitality bonus is needed as well. And frankly this looks like a big firepower nerf with only a little vitality bonus.

[TheKiller333]

The tank thing is really bad. For me, I like to keep my tanks rolling and shooting, but looks like my tactic's gonna have to be altered. But the troop rules are good. Troops are going to get smashed in battles now, which, in a way is good: Less focus on Specials. However, it's also bad, if you don't keep your troops out of getting destroyed utterly. It'll just end up Troop Vs Troop, Special Vs Special and Vehicle Vs Vehicle, which, frankly, is a bad thing.