5th edition rumors!

[Lord Erak Grimnar]

Originally Posted by The Sword 88

I agree that missile launchers should not scatter UNLESS they miss, then it makes no sense for a frag rocket to no blow up somewhere.

Anyway for the blocking LOS thing, all the models ina squad should not block each other's LOS since they would get out og the way, but I do think other squads should block other squads LOS.

See to me that doesnt make sense especially for the more drilled units such as imperial guard. I mean in war since these units are reltively small possible 2 lines the first two lines will fire duck down so the unit behind can fire.

I think GW messed up big time when taking down their forums since now they have no input in one place for them.

[Baron Spikey]

models in a squad dont block each others LOS it UNITS that block each others line of sight, or at least I cant imagine how it would be otherwise.

Personally I think it makes a great deal of sense because for those rare exceptions, one of which you pointed out Erak, friendly units would be hesitant about firing over/through friendly units in case of a blue on blue incident.

[The Sword 88]

I agree that 2 drilled units could do it if they were cordinating the attack but that is not highly likely in the 40K world, especially for orks, or other less drilled armies

[Zeb[edee]]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

Originally Posted by Brimstone on Warseer:



1. the addition of a ‘run’ option (similar to fleet but with a trade off to keep fleet special).
2. Improvements to the cover save rules.
3. Rending toned down (auto wound if you roll a 6 to wound & reduction in effectiveness against vehicles).
4. Template(Blast) weapons rules streamlined.
5. Sniper weapons rules amended (rending probable)
6. Close combat rules amended with a combat resolution phase similar to fantasy
7. Single vehicle damage table.
8. Vehicles without a WS always get hit in the rear armour.
9. Vehicles able to ram
10. Other vehicle amendments
11. Mission rules changed in a similar manner to Apocalypse (no more Alpha, Gamma or Omega).
12. Only non vehicle non swarm troop choices are scoring units.
13. Vehicles types are adjusted (the rumoured skimmer nerf)

I Dislike:

3,8,12, & 13

Its funny because all of the things that you dislike don't bother me in the slightest because
A: Only my possessed get rending, and thats a 1:6 chance
B: I have only a baneblade and Bikers planned for my army so again doesnt bother me much.
C: It means that i can punch through tanks rear armour easily =D

[Wakim]

One man`s loss, another man`s gain, i guess

I still don`t like the fact that tanks are going to be really slow (if all the rumors turn out to be true)

[The Sword 88]

Yeah, why are they nerfing tanks?

[masterofweirdness]

Originally Posted by The Sword 88

Yeah, why are they nerfing tanks?

I don't know... Tau and Eldar ones are too good?

[Astrotrain]

Tanks are now going to be made useless so they can try to sell you more costly infantry units.Cmon they might as well say "as soon as someone touches a tank it gets blown to hell"I don't see how trained tank crew members can't shoot their heavy bolters and 50.cal stubbers at about 20-30 mph.Whats real funny is how I have to pay $40 to see my army get sh@t on.

Does anyone know what the general reaction on other forums is to this crap?

[Lord Commander Erus]

@MoW: They really are.

Plus, with the HUGE advent of MUCH more powerful weapons as standard issue arms, logic would lead us to assume at one point we focused less on protection research and more on weapons power, etc... Thereby, tanks are more vulnerable than they are today.

I know, I know, applying logic to GW is like saying a Republican was at Woodstock, but hey... I can try can't I?

EDIT: Astrotrain.. Your last few posts on this threads have been the same mounds of whining re-hashed. Come up with new reason the subject in question is bad beyond 'waaaahhh my army of power gameyness!' or refrain from posting.

My Emperors Children took a major hit to the nuts. But I went through only a day or so of complaining, and could at least phrase my complaints in unique, coherent arguments, and had real reason beyond 'me.h. GW is greedy and nerfing everything'.

Not to be an ass, but I like the intelligent discussion in this thread, and you're seriously bringing it down man.. Like.. Depressingly so.

[Baron Spikey]

Tanks have gotten slower its true but they've also become so much tougher I'm going to dread facing a tank heavy army in the future.
An example I used earlier is, with the new rules a missile launcher cant destroy a Land Raider now unless it immobilises it and blows off all of its guns first. Because you can NOT destroy out right with glancing hits now.

So I can imagine Land Raiders and Monoliths are going to be even more common as the impenetrable transports of doom.

[Astrotrain]

Theses rules seem more like gimmicks used in books like cityfight rather than a a new set of rules.The BS 6-10 seems unnecessary and will drive points up.The gets hot! revamp seems nice but was not something that needed to be addressed.The cover bonus for pinning is something that could in theory exploited by wargear such as camo cloaks and make 2+ cover saves in buildings which seems likely.

Frag grenades still don't do physical harm and small template weapons need to be placed on a model's head meaning that you always get one and a partial.

[kenshin620]

Originally Posted by Astrotrain

Theses rules seem more like gimmicks used in books like cityfight rather than a a new set of rules.The BS 6-10 seems unnecessary and will drive points up.The gets hot! revamp seems nice but was not something that needed to be addressed.The cover bonus for pinning is something that could in theory exploited by wargear such as camo cloaks and make 2+ cover saves in buildings which seems likely.

Frag grenades still don't do physical harm and small template weapons need to be placed on a model's head meaning that you always get one and a partial.

I agree man!

[Astrotrain]

thanks kenshin.

I noticed theres rules for bunkers but theres no models outside of the fw ones.I hope they try to expand more on bunkers and other complexes like hive towers,Maybe make 40k like a RTS game in bigger battles.

[Baron von Lexus]

I like Bunkers... more stuff to blow up with artillery.

[kenshin620]

lol, make you opponets think they're safe withing a slab of fortifications

[The Sword 88]

Yeah a tank cant be destroyed but who cares if my leman russ is alive if it cant ever shoot?

I used to be able to advance with th eheavy bolters blazing and then shoot the big gun, no more...

I think S5 or S6 should be the cap for defensive weapons and that a tank, not a skimmer or transport, should be able to fire defensive weapons even if it is crew stunned but at -1 BS or something

[Dan296]

skimmers losing their glancing hits thing seems like a thing they would do (im speculating,) cause it is a bit overpowered. not that im complaining! (yea eldar!!) or they could do something like, its only glancing if you move 6+ and roll a 4+

[dagoose]

you know as a nid player that attacking rear armor thing means if i beef up the strength on my hormagaunts and have a full(32) unit thats 96 posible chances o tankbusting swarmy goodness on a charge !!!!!!

[Brother_Ambrose]

not to mention standard marines with krak grenades are now anti-tank units...

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Astrotrain

Theses rules seem more like gimmicks used in books like cityfight rather than a a new set of rules.The BS 6-10 seems unnecessary and will drive points up.The gets hot! revamp seems nice but was not something that needed to be addressed.The cover bonus for pinning is something that could in theory exploited by wargear such as camo cloaks and make 2+ cover saves in buildings which seems likely.

Frag grenades still don't do physical harm and small template weapons need to be placed on a model's head meaning that you always get one and a partial.

See man! That is perfect! That is what I want to hear! The reasons and the rhyme!

I can agree with you on all points, actually. Although, i'm a now converted fan of plasma weaponry, so the giddy blue-white shooty person of death inside me rejoices at the change to the 'Gets Hot!' rule.

I hadn't actually thought of the relation to camo cloaks and such and the new way of cover saves... Do you think they will eratta/FAQ that wargear... Or will Catachan and Tanith just become scary mother truckers in the jungle?

[Lochlannon]

Personally, I dislike the changes... but I have been thinking of how these changes will affect tactics. Firstly, this will encourage combined arms tactics. As you advance tanks they won't have their anti infantry capabilities so advanced infantry with them to have this anti - infantry. Also, you would get bounding advances with tanks. One tank stays put covering the other as it advances.. another advances etc.... also fast movers would start to get more use because of being able to fire more weapons at speed. I'm think off the cuff here, but I can see two tanks either bounding or with salamander escorts... Sentinels could even be used in this capacity... sentinels advance as a creen for the tank or tanks.. one tanks takes up position another advances... infantry gives cover or works in concert. Overall, it might and I say might be an effort to force combined arms.

[Scoutmaster477]

Originally Posted by wolfpack

Now I have to go out and buy another set of rules and spend another 50+ of my hard earned dollars so I can play thier F^#*ed up game?...that'll be the end of it for me...I'll sell the lot and never even look back!!!

You will end up like me collecting and painting the mini's I hope. My job does not give me much time to game. My brother and my nephew will just go on using 4th edition when we get to game.

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

I hadn't actually thought of the relation to camo cloaks and such and the new way of cover saves... Do you think they will eratta/FAQ that wargear... Or will Catachan and Tanith just become scary mother truckers in the jungle?

I think the tanith can be scary in a ruined city as well not just the jungle. Each of my squads has a tread feather and a sniper. Works real well.

Originally Posted by Baron Spikey

Tanks have gotten slower its true but they've also become so much tougher I'm going to dread facing a tank heavy army in the future.
An example I used earlier is, with the new rules a missile launcher cant destroy a Land Raider now unless it immobilises it and blows off all of its guns first. Because you can NOT destroy out right with glancing hits now.

So I can imagine Land Raiders and Monoliths are going to be even more common as the impenetrable transports of doom.

Last year at Rapier (jacksonville, fl) had one player that had two minimum troop number troops, 1 lord and 3 monoliths for his army. Can you think of the new rules with this army!!!!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Scoutmaster, that monolith experience is mutual.
I saw it, and I saw much slaughtered Cookie-Cutter-Marines.

*TC ph34rz the future of 40k vehicles*

[themandalorian]

I guess a tank is a tank. Slow and powerful like the first.

It kinda makes sense when u think about it

[Lord Erak Grimnar]

Originally Posted by Baron Spikey

models in a squad dont block each others LOS it UNITS that block each others line of sight, or at least I cant imagine how it would be otherwise.

Personally I think it makes a great deal of sense because for those rare exceptions, one of which you pointed out Erak, friendly units would be hesitant about firing over/through friendly units in case of a blue on blue incident.

That was actually the complete opposite of what I was aiming at that they would not be hesistant as the first squad would all be crouching or prone at the begining of shooting or after they have shot so the unit behind can.