Codex Daemons - 40K Terra

SteveBerenyi · 04-11-2008

From Bell of Lost Souls:

HQ:Special characters:

Kugath the Plaguefather
Fateweaver, Oracle of Tzeentch
Skarbrand the exiled one

God-specific Greater Demons: (significantly more potent and costly than the CSM Major)

Bloodthirster (don't even try using psychics agasint these guys)
Keeper of Secrets (dance marine-boy dance...you'll see)
Lord of Change (tons of shooting, can split fire)
Great Unclean (a tough Monstrous Creature who wounds on a 2+!)

Special character Heralds:

The Masque (Slaanesh)
Epidemius (Nurgle)
The Bluescribes (Tzeentch)
Skulltaker (Khorne)

Standard god-specific heralds (four)

-You can take 2 heralds as 1 HQ choice but the army must be led by either a GD or one of the named demons.

Elites:

Fiends of Slaanesh
Flamers
Beasts of Nurgle
Fleshhounds (with a named character upgrade option)

Troops:

Bloodletters
Daemonettes
Plaguebearers
Horrors (with a named character upgrade option)
Furies (do not fill compulsory troops slots)
Nurglings (do not fill compulsory troop slots)

Fast attack:

Bloodcrushers
Seekers of Slaanesh
Screamers

Heavy:

Soulgrinder
Daemon Prince (tons and tons of options)

Wargear and Gifts:

Chariots are coming to 40k, and are upgrade options for Heralds.
Many new psychic powers (including a hilarious Slaneesh one which is a much saner version of lash and may inspire some truly comic dreadnought conversions)
Khorne has an ability to ignore Psychic and Force Sword damage on a 2+!
Most of the standard daemons are our old favorites (power weapons for knorne, poison for nurgle, etc...)

Heroka Vendile · 04-11-2008

sounds excellent.

Zeb[edee] · 04-11-2008

...
Dont Tempt Me With Demons Damnit.
Its tempting as it is...

Xerto Inavory · 04-11-2008

It's getting harder and harder to wait for these guys

experiment 626 · 04-11-2008

skulltaker is just plain dumb... he rends alot more as he doesn't need just a 6, plus any rending wounds he causes inflict 'Instant Death!'...
character killer plain and simple! mind, the tyranids & the daemon prince from the chaos marine codex won't care, beyond the annoying high rending rate skulltaker gets.

still, i actually prefer the fantasy daemon book... i think overall the daemons are ALOT! nastier in fantasy - especially with characters like kairos fateweaver who's arguably the most potent magiker in the entire game! (hint: he can take 14 spells!!!

)

cheers!

themandalorian · 04-11-2008

Ech more chaos filth

lol

Dravenguild · 4 Weeks Ago

I'm still not very psyched for this release...

experiment 626 · 4 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

I'm still not very psyched for this release...

trust me, you'll want the book even if just to read! again, i prefer the fantasy book, but overall, both books have some of the best background yet!
my favourite bit from the fantasy book is easily about the assault on lustria and how kairos defeats the slaan's defenses!

cheers!

Dravenguild · 3 Weeks Ago

It just seems so odd, to have CSM and CDs to be "seperate" and independent essentially.

Drax · 3 Weeks Ago

no more so than having Imperial Guard seperate from Space Marines.

essentially, they are a 'race' in their own right, placing them in with CSMs or Chaos Mortals for that matter means that GW could only give them half the attention.

and don't forget, you can still use them together in Apoc!

EDIT: Does anyone know how viable single god armies will be? would also like to know the same for the Fantasy counterpart

Dravenguild · 3 Weeks Ago

Its not the same anymore, they were hand in hand and it should have stayed that way.

God_Grinder · 3 Weeks Ago

in itself the chaos fantasy book is great, but we have to wait and see how they are gonna amend the mortals now that they are segregated, im guessing maybe like in 40k wher they will still be able to use the lesser versions in the curent book?, and if not well it seems the BoC are totaly screwed lol. as far as 40k it never made much sence to me to segregate the deamons from CSM and still doesnt.

masterofweirdness · 3 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by God_Grinder

in itself the chaos fantasy book is great, but we have to wait and see how they are gonna amend the mortals now that they are segregated, im guessing maybe like in 40k wher they will still be able to use the lesser versions in the curent book?, and if not well it seems the BoC are totaly screwed lol. as far as 40k it never made much sence to me to segregate the deamons from CSM and still doesnt.

I don't think anyone will disagree... but its here to stay.... so I guess we have to live with it.

Drax · 3 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by God_Grinder

in itself the chaos fantasy book is great, but we have to wait and see how they are gonna amend the mortals now that they are segregated, im guessing maybe like in 40k wher they will still be able to use the lesser versions in the curent book?, and if not well it seems the BoC are totaly screwed lol. as far as 40k it never made much sence to me to segregate the deamons from CSM and still doesnt.

it could be that it follows more of the SoC way of unit selection - though for me more needs adding!

experiment 626 · 3 Weeks Ago

well, i know that the hellcannon will be staying around in mortal lists for sure!

IIRC, chosen are no longer a 0-1 option either...

cheers!

Dravenguild · 3 Weeks Ago

one thing ^ the "hellcannon"

for mortals.

When CSM, LotD and renegades had so much more options prior to this abomination.

Abomination in what it represents, all in all I'm sure its a great dex but it screws true chaos fanatics who either don't want to play apocalypse or they don't want to have their army hacked in half. Especially word bearers who used multitudes of Daemons.

My greatest gripe about this Dex, DAEMONS can use SOULGRINDERS and DAEMON PRINCES when CHAOS SPACE MARINES have watered down GENERIC DAEMONS.

honestly can warp spawned daemons create a defiler and then unbind it? I thought they were an anathema to technology? or a Daemon prince? I thought they hated any half breeds and mortals let alone "allow" them to fight alongside them.

It is incoherent with how they want to present the codex. When mortals want Daemons they get flavorless cannon fodder, when Daemons want to use something created by mortals they get EXTRA OPTIONS!

Dan296 · 3 Weeks Ago

well honestly, im not too worried about it because really, the only time ill be using my world eaters is in an apocolypse game!!

and soulgrinders are different from defilers. defilers bind a daemon inside a machine so its controlled by the deamon, but is essentially still a machine. the soulgrinder is forged in the warp, and fuses the daemon and the machine, creating the soulgrinder that is not quite daemon, not quite machine, and it can exist on both planes.

Dravenguild · 3 Weeks Ago

Forged in the warp? By whom?

Defilers are bound daemon engines, Soulgrinders are unbound defilers.

They are essentially the same thing, made by CSM and mortals.

Astral Claw 126 · 2 Weeks Ago

hehehe...the new codex is gooo!! I got my spearhead 3 days ago, and read it cover to cover in an evening

Dan296 · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

Forged in the warp? By whom?

Defilers are bound daemon engines, Soulgrinders are unbound defilers.

They are essentially the same thing, made by CSM and mortals.

theyre forged by deamons. theyre not related to defilers at all. they didnt used to be defilers, they are created in the warp by other deamons.

it says this is the codex. the greatest of the deamons fight over the right to a soulgrinder, because it can go in and out of the warp at will, and its body will not dissipate like other daemons so they can be in the material realm for a while. they arent made by mortal hands at all. the same daemon forges that make bloodletters' hellblades and other things like that.

TL;DR : SOULGRINDERS ARE NOT DEFILERS

LordWaffles · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan296

theyre forged by deamons. theyre not related to defilers at all. they didnt used to be defilers, they are created in the warp by other deamons.

it says this is the codex. the greatest of the deamons fight over the right to a soulgrinder, because it can go in and out of the warp at will, and its body will not dissipate like other daemons so they can be in the material realm for a while. they arent made by mortal hands at all. the same daemon forges that make bloodletters' hellblades and other things like that.

TL;DR : SOULGRINDERS ARE NOT DEFILERS

THE SPRUE DISAGREES!

Hahah, yeah I was going to add in that, GW split these much better and cost effective daemon from the 40k CSM and gave us those crap daemons(Honestly, I haven't made/seen/heard of a competitive list to use the buggers in a long while), on the assumption that when CSM take over a world, it takes a long while to convert it to a daemon world, as such, only minor horrible things can pop out of the warp, not quite fully conceived. But when a daemon army is afoot, reality is torn asunder and from the rip come fully fledged daemons, and as long as their's enough of them hanging around, they can feed off that tear to the warp.

tl;dr TWO ARMIES MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONE.

Although it's vastly confusing why CSM and daemons can't ally. I mean, since they slipped the last codex under the doormat and ran, you think they could have offered us them in return. Sort of like apologetic horrors of the warp.

Petey1016 · 2 Weeks Ago

I read the codex the other night from a friends spearhead. The 40k kinda goes a bit along these lines:

Slaanesh: High initiative, rending low toughness no shooting all combat.
Tzeentch: Shooters galore but with not that much of an exciting range to it and several abilities that make them hard.
Khorne: Dont touch with a barge pole in combat as the Bloodletters have power weapons as basic gear, no shooting though, and horrible HQ's
Nurgle: all toughness 5 at least all Feel no pain all wound on a 4+ but next to no shooting.

I am aware that there is some shooting but thats abilities from the HQ choices. Tzeentch will be really harsh if there within range. The soulgrinder is quite wrong as its 13 on front and sides but 11 on rear and a couple nasty guns.

I worked out that you could take 15 Lash equivalents in a Slaaneshi army. a Masque can do 3 a turn and its two per hq slot = 4 Masques and 12 lashes + 3 Daemon Princes with 1 lash each.

Overall the army isnt undefeatable but it has to be defeated a certain way for each unit.

masterofweirdness · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordWaffles

THE SPRUE DISAGREES!
Although it's vastly confusing why CSM and daemons can't ally. I mean, since they slipped the last codex under the doormat and ran, you think they could have offered us them in return. Sort of like apologetic horrors of the warp.

My solution: ask your friends if you can use the same rules as presented in

Codex: Daemonhunters and (assumedly, I don't have the codex) Codex: Witchhunters

for allies and the like.

As for tourneys... deal with it! GW's screwed us over, to bad.

I agree... I don't like the fact that these are complete and indpendent codices... but GW seems to have a trend of making complete independent codices so what can we say?

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SteveBerenyi I Have A Fish In My Pants Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Butte, Montana Posts: 2,601 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 207 Thanked 246 Times in 158 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Codex Daemons From Bell of Lost Souls: *HQ:*Special characters: Kugath the Plaguefather Fateweaver, Oracle of Tzeentch Skarbrand the exiled one God-specific Greater Demons: (significantly more potent and costly than the CSM Major) Bloodthirster (don't even try using psychics agasint these guys) Keeper of Secrets (dance marine-boy dance...you'll see) Lord of Change (tons of shooting, can split fire) Great Unclean (a tough Monstrous Creature who wounds on a 2+!) Special character Heralds: The Masque (Slaanesh) Epidemius (Nurgle) The Bluescribes (Tzeentch) Skulltaker (Khorne) Standard god-specific heralds (four) -You can take 2 heralds as 1 HQ choice but the army must be led by either a GD or one of the named demons. *Elites:* Fiends of Slaanesh Flamers Beasts of Nurgle Fleshhounds (with a named character upgrade option) *Troops:* Bloodletters Daemonettes Plaguebearers Horrors (with a named character upgrade option) Furies (do not fill compulsory troops slots) Nurglings (do not fill compulsory troop slots) *Fast attack:* Bloodcrushers Seekers of Slaanesh Screamers *Heavy:* Soulgrinder Daemon Prince (tons and tons of options) *Wargear and Gifts:* Chariots are coming to 40k, and are upgrade options for Heralds. Many new psychic powers (including a hilarious Slaneesh one which is a much saner version of lash and may inspire some truly comic dreadnought conversions) Khorne has an ability to ignore Psychic and Force Sword damage on a 2+! Most of the standard daemons are our old favorites (power weapons for knorne, poison for nurgle, etc...) __________________ WIN/DRAW/LOSS On The Battlefield 4 / 1 / 4 VOTE To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ends April 22 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ends April 24 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PLEASE VOTE!!!

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons skulltaker is just plain dumb... he rends alot more as he doesn't need just a 6, plus any rending wounds he causes inflict 'Instant Death!'... character killer plain and simple! mind, the tyranids & the daemon prince from the chaos marine codex won't care, beyond the annoying high rending rate skulltaker gets. still, i actually prefer the fantasy daemon book... i think overall the daemons are ALOT! nastier in fantasy - especially with characters like kairos fateweaver who's arguably the most potent magiker in the entire game! (hint: he can take 14 spells!!!) cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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themandalorian Corporal Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 385 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 4 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons Ech more chaos filth lol

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Dravenguild Trooper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Napa Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 23 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons It just seems so odd, to have CSM and CDs to be "seperate" and independent essentially. __________________ Chapter Master of The Iron Templars

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Dravenguild Trooper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Napa Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 23 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons Its not the same anymore, they were hand in hand and it should have stayed that way. __________________ Chapter Master of The Iron Templars

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God_Grinder Adeptus Arbrites Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socal Posts: 315 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 3 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons in itself the chaos fantasy book is great, but we have to wait and see how they are gonna amend the mortals now that they are segregated, im guessing maybe like in 40k wher they will still be able to use the lesser versions in the curent book?, and if not well it seems the BoC are totaly screwed lol. as far as 40k it never made much sence to me to segregate the deamons from CSM and still doesnt. __________________ Let the galaxy be illuminated, As it burns!!! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons well, i know that the hellcannon will be staying around in mortal lists for sure! IIRC, chosen are no longer a 0-1 option either... cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dravenguild Trooper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Napa Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 23 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons one thing ^ the "hellcannon" for mortals. When CSM, LotD and renegades had so much more options prior to this abomination. Abomination in what it represents, all in all I'm sure its a great dex but it screws true chaos fanatics who either don't want to play apocalypse or they don't want to have their army hacked in half. Especially word bearers who used multitudes of Daemons. My greatest gripe about this Dex, DAEMONS can use SOULGRINDERS and DAEMON PRINCES when CHAOS SPACE MARINES have watered down GENERIC DAEMONS. honestly can warp spawned daemons create a defiler and then unbind it? I thought they were an anathema to technology? or a Daemon prince? I thought they hated any half breeds and mortals let alone "allow" them to fight alongside them. It is incoherent with how they want to present the codex. When mortals want Daemons they get flavorless cannon fodder, when Daemons want to use something created by mortals they get EXTRA OPTIONS! __________________ Chapter Master of The Iron Templars

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Dan296 The Dark Apostle Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,692 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 59 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons well honestly, im not too worried about it because really, the only time ill be using my world eaters is in an apocolypse game!! and soulgrinders are different from defilers. defilers bind a daemon inside a machine so its controlled by the deamon, but is essentially still a machine. the soulgrinder is forged in the warp, and fuses the daemon and the machine, creating the soulgrinder that is not quite daemon, not quite machine, and it can exist on both planes. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I am a leaf on the wind Watch how i soar To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dravenguild Trooper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Napa Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 23 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Codex Daemons Forged in the warp? By whom? Defilers are bound daemon engines, Soulgrinders are unbound defilers. They are essentially the same thing, made by CSM and mortals. __________________ Chapter Master of The Iron Templars

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Petey1016 Corporal Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 247 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 14 Thanked 13 Times in 5 Posts Blog Entries: 8	Re: Codex Daemons I read the codex the other night from a friends spearhead. The 40k kinda goes a bit along these lines: Slaanesh: High initiative, rending low toughness no shooting all combat. Tzeentch: Shooters galore but with not that much of an exciting range to it and several abilities that make them hard. Khorne: Dont touch with a barge pole in combat as the Bloodletters have power weapons as basic gear, no shooting though, and horrible HQ's Nurgle: all toughness 5 at least all Feel no pain all wound on a 4+ but next to no shooting. I am aware that there is some shooting but thats abilities from the HQ choices. Tzeentch will be really harsh if there within range. The soulgrinder is quite wrong as its 13 on front and sides but 11 on rear and a couple nasty guns. I worked out that you could take 15 Lash equivalents in a Slaaneshi army. a Masque can do 3 a turn and its two per hq slot = 4 Masques and 12 lashes + 3 Daemon Princes with 1 lash each. Overall the army isnt undefeatable but it has to be defeated a certain way for each unit. __________________ "Drink Deep of Victory and Remember the Fallen" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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