Codex: Ruinous Powers / Orbital Assault - 40K Terra

Ion Raptor · 10-10-2007

Lifted from Librarium Online:

-Rumoured to be oversized; possible even hardback
-Will FULLY describe each of the 4 main Chaos Powers (cults, anyone? ) including their daemonic followers.
-Will cover both WHFB and 40k.
- Includes a stand-alone army list for each game system to use a full army of daemons.
-Roughly a dozen special characters across the 4 major powers, some of which can be used in both game systems.
-NOT compatible with Codex: CSM.
-Some suggest that it will not be tournament legal, but only for games of Apocalypse or pick-up/friendly games.

According to Warseer rumours, next summer might see another new codex, in the form of Codex: Orbital Assault! Apparently, it will focus on high-speed raids and deep-striking in more depth, while adding new rules for each army. There are also several rumoured releases to accompany it, including:
- Plastic drop pods
- Plastic Thunderhawk
- Plastic IG stormtroopers
- Plastic Valkyrie
- Ork Stormboyz

It's rumoured to be presented in a campaign format (a la Eye of Terror/Armageddon) with set protagonists/antagonists.

I'm wondering why they're having 2 separate books for Chaos, the one we have now will basically become Codex: Black Legion and Renegades after this newest one hits the shelf

Templar Mikeel · 10-10-2007

...Interesting...? The Codex:Ruinous powers, wouldn't that be the same codex as the daemon codex? The orbital assault thing sounds interesting, but I don't think everybody would be ready for another overpriced expansion.

Cirative · 10-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Ion Raptor

Codex: Ruinous Powers
-Will cover both WHFB and 40k.
-NOT compatible with Codex: CSM.
-Some suggest that it will not be tournament legal, but only for games of Apocalypse or pick-up/friendly games.

I really dislike these three rumors.

As for "Orbital Assault," I have heard from the Red Shirts themselves that GW is releasing its own drop pod model relatively soon.

Dragoon King · 10-10-2007

Wow, I really hope GW does release its own Droppod models. I would be estactic if they did in fact make the Chaos cult codices. The one glaring fault of the 4th ed. Chaos codex is the generalizing of Daemons. Hopefully this will be remedied in the near future. Thanks for the info, Ion.

Spartan-11755 · 10-10-2007

OMG I hope the plastic VAlks Storm and Thunderhawks are true that would be cool as for the Drop Pods those are a def go scheduled for release with the puppies ala puppies afraid of deep striking.....

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

No need for such name calling. 'Tis true though, I've heard the same rumour on the DP.

The deamon codex has been stated to be released by WD as they din't have time to get it right, and to be honest I can't blame them for doing a WFB and 40k joint book (they share the same models...).

Plastic thunderhawk... my trousers are tented already. The valkrie s also exciting, I've got a forgeworld version and t looks beautiful.

Drax · 10-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Krom_stormbrow

The deamon codex has been stated to be released by WD as they din't have time to get it right

sight your source puppy boy!

and if you say Bop, i will bop you!

i really really hope they are not having a dual system book. it slaps of laziness to me.

GW are really trying my patience lately. might have to go and take a look at Warmachine or something.

Lord Commander Erus · 10-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Celephus Drax

sight your source puppy boy!

and if you say Bop, i will bop you!

i really really hope they are not having a dual system book. it slaps of laziness to me.

GW are really trying my patience lately. might have to go and take a look at Warmachine or something.

HERESY! HERETIC I SAY! BURN HIM!

I do agree though, a dual book, with special characters that can cross over between each is absolutely ridiculous and I would burn the book on sight.

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Celephus Drax

sight your source puppy boy!

and if you say Bop, i will bop you!

i really really hope they are not having a dual system book. it slaps of laziness to me.

GW are really trying my patience lately. might have to go and take a look at Warmachine or something.

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The deamon codex has been stated to be released by WD...

Did you read that? o mention of Bop, just White Dwarf

The reference is WD... not sure the issue number but it was one of Jervis's blurbs... in fact drax, we discussed it on Saturday. Tick Tock!

And dual system is lazy, but if that's the case, is it lazy to just use the same models? Of course it is, but no one seems to be bothered by that.

Lord Commander Erus · 10-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Krom_stormbrow

Did you read that? o mention of Bop, just White Dwarf

The reference is WD... not sure the issue number but it was one of Jervis's blurbs... in fact drax, we discussed it on Saturday. Tick Tock!

And dual system is lazy, but if that's the case, is it lazy to just use the same models? Of course it is, but no one seems to be bothered by that.

Actually, I personally am. I never liked that Fantasy and 40k had the same daemons.

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

I'd have to agree with you erus, but why make seperate books if they don't have seperate models?

Drax · 10-11-2007

because fantasy does not work like 40k thats why.

and our discussions on saturday had nothing to do with them appearing as a lst in WD.

or have i missunderstood?

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

Yes you misunderstood. The conversation we were talking about, and you also said the exact same thing as I did, about the daemon dex coming in around Jan time. And this was a point made by Jervis in Standard bearer... though he didn't state a specific month.

Drax · 10-11-2007

I see

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Originally Posted by Krom_stormbrow

The deamon codex has been stated to be released by WD as they din't have time to get it right

i thought by the above you were meaning a la blood angels update.
but i get your meaning now.

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

As a point thogh. It isn't right to do the same models and book. From a business perspective I see why though. It cuts costs.

As for the book, I imagine they will do the fluff about the daemons, which should be the same between both and then offer oth rules formats in the specifications.

Lord Commander Erus · 10-11-2007

In the end, GW will do as they want. But I just hope they don't do it this way, or I may not be returning to serve the Ruinous powers.

Mart007 · 10-11-2007

Ha ha, you can run but you cant hide Drax!!!

I cant see the problem with the dual Daemon dex, the rules will be treated separately, as will the fluff, just saves you buying two books. The daemons have always been the same models and I see no cross over, as they technically dont cross over. Storm in a tea cup!

Drax · 10-11-2007

great, you have tracked me down as well i see.

the problem is that i would rather GW gave a decent amount of attention to the Daemons for 40k AND gave a decent amount of attention to Daemons in fantasy rather than trying to reduce their workrate and then have the results reflect this.

Mart007 · 10-11-2007

....but they have never had a dex laid out soley for them before so it should be more detailed than what you have have before anyway.

Lord Commander Erus · 10-11-2007

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Originally Posted by Mart007

....but they have never had a dex laid out soley for them before so it should be more detailed than what you have have before anyway.

Should be. Should be. But this is GW.

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

Hooray, Mart007... my brother has joined the action.

I have too agree with him as well.

Oh i don't know where to be with ths one now.... Is there a fence anywhere?

Drax · 10-11-2007

Look everyone! the chuckle brothers have reformed!

its alright for you two, you don't use daemons, nor have an army where you could!

Krom_stormbrow · 10-11-2007

But why will it be an issue for you?

It'll give you more fluff and info on daemons than you've ever had before.

Drax · 10-11-2007

that was the point of the Liber Chaotica series which leached £30 out of me for GWs pockets. And therein lies the problem. if the majority of the new codex is fluff, then it is money for old rope.

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Ion Raptor Beef Potato Wheelman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 744 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 101 Times in 41 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Codex: Ruinous Powers / Orbital Assault Lifted from Librarium Online: -Rumoured to be oversized; possible even hardback -Will FULLY describe each of the 4 main Chaos Powers (cults, anyone? ) including their daemonic followers. -Will cover both WHFB and 40k. - Includes a stand-alone army list for each game system to use a full army of daemons. -Roughly a dozen special characters across the 4 major powers, some of which can be used in both game systems. -NOT compatible with Codex: CSM. -Some suggest that it will not be tournament legal, but only for games of Apocalypse or pick-up/friendly games. According to Warseer rumours, next summer might see another new codex, in the form of Codex: Orbital Assault! Apparently, it will focus on high-speed raids and deep-striking in more depth, while adding new rules for each army. There are also several rumoured releases to accompany it, including: - Plastic drop pods - Plastic Thunderhawk - Plastic IG stormtroopers - Plastic Valkyrie - Ork Stormboyz It's rumoured to be presented in a campaign format (a la Eye of Terror/Armageddon) with set protagonists/antagonists. I'm wondering why they're having 2 separate books for Chaos, the one we have now will basically become Codex: Black Legion and Renegades after this newest one hits the shelf Last edited by Ion Raptor; 10-10-2007 at 08:42 PM.

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Templar Mikeel Major Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,779 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 217 Thanked 156 Times in 97 Posts	...Interesting...? The Codex:Ruinous powers, wouldn't that be the same codex as the daemon codex? The orbital assault thing sounds interesting, but I don't think everybody would be ready for another overpriced expansion. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Don't To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. the Killer! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	No need for such name calling. 'Tis true though, I've heard the same rumour on the DP. The deamon codex has been stated to be released by WD as they din't have time to get it right, and to be honest I can't blame them for doing a WFB and 40k joint book (they share the same models...). Plastic thunderhawk... my trousers are tented already. The valkrie s also exciting, I've got a forgeworld version and t looks beautiful. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	I'd have to agree with you erus, but why make seperate books if they don't have seperate models? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Drax The Witchhunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In your imagination Posts: 572 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts	because fantasy does not work like 40k thats why. and our discussions on saturday had nothing to do with them appearing as a lst in WD. or have i missunderstood?

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	Yes you misunderstood. The conversation we were talking about, and you also said the exact same thing as I did, about the daemon dex coming in around Jan time. And this was a point made by Jervis in Standard bearer... though he didn't state a specific month. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	As a point thogh. It isn't right to do the same models and book. From a business perspective I see why though. It cuts costs. As for the book, I imagine they will do the fluff about the daemons, which should be the same between both and then offer oth rules formats in the specifications. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,325 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	In the end, GW will do as they want. But I just hope they don't do it this way, or I may not be returning to serve the Ruinous powers. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Mart007 Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,025 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 105 Thanked 83 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Ha ha, you can run but you cant hide Drax!!! I cant see the problem with the dual Daemon dex, the rules will be treated separately, as will the fluff, just saves you buying two books. The daemons have always been the same models and I see no cross over, as they technically dont cross over. Storm in a tea cup!

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Drax The Witchhunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In your imagination Posts: 572 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts	great, you have tracked me down as well i see. the problem is that i would rather GW gave a decent amount of attention to the Daemons for 40k AND gave a decent amount of attention to Daemons in fantasy rather than trying to reduce their workrate and then have the results reflect this.

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Mart007 Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,025 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 105 Thanked 83 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 1	....but they have never had a dex laid out soley for them before so it should be more detailed than what you have have before anyway.

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	Hooray, Mart007... my brother has joined the action. I have too agree with him as well. Oh i don't know where to be with ths one now.... Is there a fence anywhere? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Drax The Witchhunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In your imagination Posts: 572 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts	Look everyone! the chuckle brothers have reformed! its alright for you two, you don't use daemons, nor have an army where you could!

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Krom_stormbrow Hairy Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 506 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	But why will it be an issue for you? It'll give you more fluff and info on daemons than you've ever had before. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Drax The Witchhunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In your imagination Posts: 572 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 25 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts	that was the point of the Liber Chaotica series which leached £30 out of me for GWs pockets. And therein lies the problem. if the majority of the new codex is fluff, then it is money for old rope.