This years release plans....

[Aldonis]

Sounds like Space Wolves are going to be coming out around the Christmas time.

What I've heard - is July will be the new rules. Sept/Oct - will be the new box set. Sometime either just before or after that will be the redone Marine Codex.

Then end the year off with the Son's of Russ.....

Good 6 months for Marines!

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Aldonis

Sounds like Space Wolves are going to be coming out around the Christmas time.

What I've heard - is July will be the new rules. Sept/Oct - will be the new box set. Sometime either just before or after that will be the redone Marine Codex.

Then end the year off with the Son's of Russ.....

Good 6 months for Marines!

may: fantasy & 40k daemons
june: LotR mordor
july 12th: 5th edition big rulebook + new space marines!!! (which look ****ing sweet! - please excuse the language, but it's true!)
august: dark elves
september: 5th edition starter set
october:???
november:???
december:???

cheers!

[munkey joe paints]

Originally Posted by experiment 626

july 12th: 5th edition big rulebook + new space marines!!! (which look ****ing sweet! - please excuse the language, but it's true!)

Really?? HUmmm you have sparked my interests little blue one......

[experiment 626]

the new space marines stuff is likely to cause even more hate towards smurfs, but......
- new scouts possibly?!?
- something cool's happening with the land raider!
- the new codex is the biggest codex ever produced by GW! it's something like 140'ish or so pages...

cheers!

[Darighaaz_king]

im guessing maybe a plastic update for the land raider crusader and maybe a plastic terminator lord? this is just me guesing mind you (that, and wishful thinking)

thanks

[Petey1016]

WOW, Stitch is this a confirmation. is this official from GW to you staff peeps?

[Dravenguild]

I definitly want new tanks! NO NEW LANDRAIDER PATTERNS!!!!

Bring back JETBIKES!

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Petey1016

WOW, Stitch is this a confirmation. is this official from GW to you staff peeps?

it is niether 'official' nor 'unofficial' in nature... i am confirming nor denying anything that has not already been rummored.
perhaps the redshirts know more than most give credit for, or perhaps we are but pawns.
we might be telling the truth, though we might also be fostering a great lie! or we might be lying & telling the truth in the same breath...

only blessed tzeentch knows for sure, and i am but a humble servent of the great schemer!

(hopefully this hasn't been too confusing!)
cheers!

[Warmaster Romulas]

lol
i like the double talk
you say with out saying young one
your like a female redshirt yoda

[BrainDeleted]

$#% #^%@ ^!#%#$ %@#%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A another smurf esque dex?!?! No more individuality?! No more create a chapter!?! I was hoping they'd make create a chapter less dumb!!!!

[Lord Commander Erus]

With 140 pages, one can only hope that system has been enhanced, and chapters like the White Scars have returned.

[Warmaster Romulas]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

With 140 pages, one can only hope that system has been enhanced, and chapters like the White Scars have returned.

that would be awesome more attention to the original legions

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by BrainDeleted

$#% #^%@ ^!#%#$ %@#%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A another smurf esque dex?!?! No more individuality?! No more create a chapter!?! I was hoping they'd make create a chapter less dumb!!!!

well, the traits system as it is now has definatly been axed... wether or not they try to impliment a new system and how it will work, who knows???

but i do like the fact that everyone will get the combat squads rule as that's a real asset and it allows not only for more customisation within squads, but also makes things like the razorback playble again!

cheers!

[Dravenguild]

^ I agree with you too a whole lot of that extent, however call me crazy but I have a few peeves with these rumours.

1. Combat squads, I know you don't have to use them, they have a lot of dexterity but I would suspect they would get swamped easily. When you fight as many swarm armies as I do divide and conquer is out of the question.

2. Trait system, I know horribly OP and broken, but was it really? All Orks now have Furious charge "built in" so why couldn't say, the Crimson fists have preferred enemy and furious charge as their doctrines and whatnot? It's really not that big of a deal, seeing as marines almost never charge into CC unless pinned against impossible odds or backed by fighters (AKA the Assaulty marines/ Veterans).

With a little innovation and reworking I'm sure that it would be fun to have a chapter of marines that actually adhere to the training they undergo specifically to enhance fighting capabilities.

3. The Ass-can spam, Yes I do believe this is horridly broken as well (Fought an entire 4,000 point ravenwing, yet I truimphed!) I believe rending should just be taken away completely from the Assault cannon or reworked to not be so confusing in new editions.

The Ap-2 wound and +D3 Pen? Whats the point anymore? Instead, the fact that the fire rate is so focused, it should instead add +1 to the damage table result.

4. I'm not entirely sure, but are they taking away the ability for ICs to have retinues? If so I am mortally pissed! (Tell me 626! PM ME!!!!!)

5. Powefist "supposed" changes, whats the point if they can no longer gain a bonus? It was worth when you had more attacks, but the nerf its receiving is not worth the 25~30points on a sergeant for that crap excuse.

6. Armory nerf, I"m not extremely mad but I wanted to keep Bionics and other things like auspexes. (they were absent from the Chaos dex' so I assume they're reserved for new IG)

7. All in all, it feels like they are taking more away from the game's awesome customization and feel while contributing very stale and stagnant rules. It just doesn't feel like my space marines are unique anymore, being stripped of ALL special rules.

[Lord Commander Erus]

Drav, they might well make, with as much room as in there now, unique and separate rules for each 1st founding loyalist, and say 'all sucessors use these rules'. Which i'd be totally fine with.

Traits going bye bye doesn't mean SM chapters can't have special rules.

[Dravenguild]

As long as they aren't just "get us by" rules like 4th until proper dexes reveal.

Or just plain stupid/redundant/maniacal rules.

For example, hmmm....

All successor chapters may re-roll a failed ld test or all successor chapters may play an extra turn after the game is over.

Just those Really stupid traits no one ever took in the current Marine Dex', I don't want those to represent a "Custom" army.

[Lord Commander Erus]

I'd think, with such a massive size, we can rest assured they'll be more detailed than that. I'll hold out hope anyway.

[Dravenguild]

I just don't want to have my army obsoleted and given no compensation.

I think the ultimate act of penitence that GW should (But will never do) do is give back to the people who had their armies cast aside in favor of "simplistic" codexes and tournaments. Like the ill fated squats? Reimburse. Word Bearers? Iron Warriors? Most chaos marine aspiring champions?

Many other examples Will be on the horizon as Warhammer leans from "In the Grim darkness of the future, there is only war" to more child friendly "In the bleak darkness of the future, there is only censorship and minor conflicts" to say the least of my aggression.

Kids are getting stupider, and the oversimplification of 40k's rules reflects the idea that Gw is.

1. Targetting a younger demographic

2. Making the game accessible to that demographic

3. Bowing down to that demographic in order to further the game

4. Forget about who is hurt in the process and any reprucussions they might endure, after all GW all sold their souls to the corporate machine and forgotten about the spirit of the game, Long ago.

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Dravenguild

^ I agree with you too a whole lot of that extent, however call me crazy but I have a few peeves with these rumours.

1. Combat squads, I know you don't have to use them, they have a lot of dexterity but I would suspect they would get swamped easily. When you fight as many swarm armies as I do divide and conquer is out of the question.

+++ not if you properly support your units with other combat squads, or support vehicles, or things like assasult marines & characters...
combat squads lets you truely divide your army into and 'overwatch' heavy weapon gunline & fast moving assaulty spearhead.+++

2. Trait system, I know horribly OP and broken, but was it really? All Orks now have Furious charge "built in" so why couldn't say, the Crimson fists have preferred enemy and furious charge as their doctrines and whatnot? It's really not that big of a deal, seeing as marines almost never charge into CC unless pinned against impossible odds or backed by fighters (AKA the Assaulty marines/ Veterans).

+++ furious charge isn't that bas on orks. they go from I2 to I3 and gain S4 for 1 round of combat...
furious charge on an entire marine army would be a wee bit more game-breaking when you consider they become S5/I5 for a turn! (IC's become I6!)

i only hope that whatever new system they put in place doesn't screw over the other original legions this time 'round, while giving out all of their unique stuff to everyone else like it was candy!+++

With a little innovation and reworking I'm sure that it would be fun to have a chapter of marines that actually adhere to the training they undergo specifically to enhance fighting capabilities.

3. The Ass-can spam, Yes I do believe this is horridly broken as well (Fought an entire 4,000 point ravenwing, yet I truimphed!) I believe rending should just be taken away completely from the Assault cannon or reworked to not be so confusing in new editions.
The Ap-2 wound and +D3 Pen? Whats the point anymore? Instead, the fact that the fire rate is so focused, it should instead add +1 to the damage table result.

+++ *sigh* fear not, and ass-can will still be able to take out a land raider... it's just a helluva lot harder now as it should be!
it's not that confusing really, and units with rules like 'feel no pain' will still get their special rules against the ass-can. (but yes, no ranged weapon should ever have gained rending!)+++

4. I'm not entirely sure, but are they taking away the ability for ICs to have retinues? If so I am mortally pissed! (Tell me 626! PM ME!!!!!)

+++ no - you're simply not forced to put your IC into the command squad now... so you can have say a jump pack chaplain lead those assault marines & let the command squad fight on it's own!
or you can simply stick the IC into his command squad proper...+++

5. Powefist "supposed" changes, whats the point if they can no longer gain a bonus? It was worth when you had more attacks, but the nerf its receiving is not worth the 25~30points on a sergeant for that crap excuse.

+++ i think that S8 is still fething awsome! who cares if your sergeant goes down to only 2/3 attacks - it's no different than say an eldar shining spear exarch w/star lance, and eldar players still field those boyz!
S8 really is *that* good, and the fact that it seems like the power fist is greatlt over-used means that it's probably too good. so it's changing to reflect that fact.+++

6. Armory nerf, I"m not extremely mad but I wanted to keep Bionics and other things like auspexes. (they were absent from the Chaos dex' so I assume they're reserved for new IG)

+++ well, i do like having to not resort to flipping all over the place in my codex now! and things like bionics weren't really all that usefull to begin with...
plus, the loss of the armoury has ment there's really no more instances of awkward characters who need about a page and a half worth of FAQ fixes!+++

7. All in all, it feels like they are taking more away from the game's awesome customization and feel while contributing very stale and stagnant rules. It just doesn't feel like my space marines are unique anymore, being stripped of ALL special rules.

hope this helps!
cheers!

[Warmaster Romulas]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Drav, they might well make, with as much room as in there now, unique and separate rules for each 1st founding loyalist, and say 'all sucessors use these rules'. Which i'd be totally fine with.

i think that would be fine with most legions and succesor chapters
the only gripe i would have with that is
the army im building now.... Crimson fist
they are not as zealous as the black templars
and not retarded like the imperial fist (by staying to the last man)
i hope they have some form of distingushing one successor from another
i dont want my army to be an imperial fist army with different colors
i wonder if they are adding a giant special characters section?
i hope they have some sort of DIY but one that cant be corrupted by evil gamers

[Mart007]

I think GWs plans are to standardise the Dex's and bring in an armies character with Appoc data sheets. We have seen this with Eldar and Chaos so far.

Mind you, it doesent help if you dont play Apocc!