Apocalypse Allies Rules - 40K Terra

CHIAPETOFDOOM · 11-03-2007

Refrence: This pertains to the top of page 18 (Allies) and the "Allies Matrix" on 198 of the Apocalypse Rules Book.

Hey folks,

My friends and I were wondering how to interpret some of the rules on the pages mentioned above.

It seems SquatComando wanted to use IG with his Black Templar in an Apocalypse game, I said I was not aware this was feasable, but he showed me the Allies Matrix and said that it was. I looked at the chart, and the Allies note on page 18 and we concluded that not only was this possible but, perhaps you could ally any force in the game into a single army?

This seems very odd as Daemons and Daemonhunters could play together under one player? Harlequin squads and a Witchhunter could be in the same force?

Who do we KILL?!?

This is causing a bit of comotion as it upsets our knowledge of how the game is balanced, if anyone is more understanding of how these rules work we would appreciate an explanation!

Thanks alot guys!

kenshin620 · 11-03-2007

well if your opponent says yes you can use anything as allies. As for DH with daemons say that they're "fallen" DH or something. Maybe the WH and Harlequins think that the current opponet (idk orks maybe?) is more of a threat and have an agreement. Just some things I made up in 5 sec

Jericho199 · 11-03-2007

Technically, yes. You can use whatever armies together you want. You could use units from every army into one mega army if you wanted to. However, apocalypse is meant to be very narrative driven, and I doubt you'd be able to justify using those things together. It's very unfluffy :P

If you're just having a friendly game with your mates though, you CAN do it as long as no one else has a problem with it.

The ally matrix basically gives tells you how hard your imagination is going to have to work coming up with ways to have them fight together.

For instance, Eldar and orks have a dark marker signifying they'd probably never ally. However, you could represent this in a different way. You could take some inspiration from dawn of war and say that the eldar lured the orks into a position where the battle was going to take place. Then, use say the "flank charge" strategic asset to represent orks entering the battle from behind the enemy as they heard all the fighting and were eager to jump in.

Lord Commander Erus · 11-04-2007

Plus daemons and clowns with Inquisition could be very easily explained as radical inquisitors! We are dirty, filthy heretics!

experiment 626 · 11-04-2007

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Originally Posted by CHIAPETOFDOOM

Refrence: This pertains to the top of page 18 (Allies) and the "Allies Matrix" on 198 of the Apocalypse Rules Book.

Hey folks,

My friends and I were wondering how to interpret some of the rules on the pages mentioned above.

It seems SquatComando wanted to use IG with his Black Templar in an Apocalypse game, I said I was not aware this was feasable, but he showed me the Allies Matrix and said that it was. I looked at the chart, and the Allies note on page 18 and we concluded that not only was this possible but, perhaps you could ally any force in the game into a single army?

This seems very odd as Daemons and Daemonhunters could play together under one player? Harlequin squads and a Witchhunter could be in the same force?

Who do we KILL?!?

This is causing a bit of comotion as it upsets our knowledge of how the game is balanced, if anyone is more understanding of how these rules work we would appreciate an explanation!

Thanks alot guys!

while it's true that anyone can 'technically' ally with anyone else, you *must* come up with a damn good story/reason for it to feasibly happen! so in the cases you've listed, i'd say some possible story lines could be;

a) the daemonhunting inquisitor in question is a radical who's gone one step too far! he's now become the very thing his ordo combats. of corse, he's led his 'loyal' minions into damnation with him!
codex: daemonhunter unit you couldn't use no matter what: grey knights

b) the witch hunter/s in question are pursuing their own agenda in regards to a local uprising. the mysterious harlequins show up for their own reasons, but haven begun to attack the witch hunter's enemies!
or, perhaps the harlequins have shown in response to a much darker and greater threat which the witch hunters have yet to truely discover?! the harlies will fight alongside the emperor's servents because to allow the true enemy to prevail will bring about some future catastroph which would be even more disasterous than the current situation!

basically, you need to come up with a plot hook... look through the 'hunter codicies for ideas for narrative plot hooks in the 'daemon/witch hunters would fight army X because...' pages!

cheers!

kenshin620 · 11-04-2007

Well I actually had an idea (through a stupid idea) of a GK army with nids cause the nids are being controled by the GK making the small band of tyranid riders! I go kill myself now

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CHIAPETOFDOOM Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Apocalypse Allies Rules Refrence: This pertains to the top of page 18 (Allies) and the "Allies Matrix" on 198 of the Apocalypse Rules Book. Hey folks, My friends and I were wondering how to interpret some of the rules on the pages mentioned above. It seems SquatComando wanted to use IG with his Black Templar in an Apocalypse game, I said I was not aware this was feasable, but he showed me the Allies Matrix and said that it was. I looked at the chart, and the Allies note on page 18 and we concluded that not only was this possible but, perhaps you could ally any force in the game into a single army? This seems very odd as Daemons and Daemonhunters could play together under one player? Harlequin squads and a Witchhunter could be in the same force? Who do we KILL?!? This is causing a bit of comotion as it upsets our knowledge of how the game is balanced, if anyone is more understanding of how these rules work we would appreciate an explanation! Thanks alot guys!

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kenshin620 Corporal Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 9 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Blog Entries: 1	well if your opponent says yes you can use anything as allies. As for DH with daemons say that they're "fallen" DH or something. Maybe the WH and Harlequins think that the current opponet (idk orks maybe?) is more of a threat and have an agreement. Just some things I made up in 5 sec __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Tis but a flesh wound.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,325 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Plus daemons and clowns with Inquisition could be very easily explained as radical inquisitors! We are dirty, filthy heretics! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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kenshin620 Corporal Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 9 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Well I actually had an idea (through a stupid idea) of a GK army with nids cause the nids are being controled by the GK making the small band of tyranid riders! I go kill myself now __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Tis but a flesh wound.

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Jericho199 Trooper Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Salinas Valley, CA Posts: 145 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 28 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Technically, yes. You can use whatever armies together you want. You could use units from every army into one mega army if you wanted to. However, apocalypse is meant to be very narrative driven, and I doubt you'd be able to justify using those things together. It's very unfluffy :P If you're just having a friendly game with your mates though, you CAN do it as long as no one else has a problem with it. The ally matrix basically gives tells you how hard your imagination is going to have to work coming up with ways to have them fight together. For instance, Eldar and orks have a dark marker signifying they'd probably never ally. However, you could represent this in a different way. You could take some inspiration from dawn of war and say that the eldar lured the orks into a position where the battle was going to take place. Then, use say the "flank charge" strategic asset to represent orks entering the battle from behind the enemy as they heard all the fighting and were eager to jump in.