base attacks and Weapons - 40K Terra

Commisar General Pereira · 11-04-2006

I was wondering.My Heroic Senior Officer hase 3 attacks base.He has a power sword and a plasma pistol.He charges into a enemy.Does this mean he has 7 attacks? (3 base,2 for power weapon,1 for CC weapon and pistol,and charges)Also does 0-1 mean that you can only have 1 of that unit even if you have 2 detachments?

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-04-2006

on the turn he charges he gets 3 + 1 for charging + 1 for dual CC
0-1 means that per every force organisation chart (chart, not slot) you can have up to 1 of that unit. i.e. every "army" can have one.
EDIT: i'm fairly sure that 7 is not what he's getting. that's a LOT of attacks. Sure Helbrecht has from 5 to 8 attacks on the charge (4 base, 1 charge, D3 sword of high marshalls) but he's a BT character with a special power sword

Inquisitor Ralei · 11-04-2006

7 attacks?!

You get +1A for having 2 close combat weapons and +1A on the charge.

My Terminator Chaplain on the charge has a total of 5 S5 I6 attacks with re-roll for all failed to hit rolls.
It's a shame I can't get Furious Charge for a jet pack Chaplain, what with him only being able to get the ability if he is part of a Command Squad!

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-04-2006

yeah 5 attacks for the senior officer
P.s. don't give him the plasma. I dont want to see him burn himself with it when lighting a cigar.

Yarium · 11-04-2006

Hey, he could be Sargeant Hot Hands!

But, yes, 5 attacks would be correct if he's base 3.

Weapons themselves don't confer extra attacks (unless specifically mentioned), and you gain 1 attack when you have 2 weapons that are defined as close combat weapons. You also gain 1 attack for charging.

I believe you saw it as "3 attacks base, 1 attack for using a weapon, 1 attack for using another weapon, 1 attack for having 2 weapons, then 1 for charging" - is that correct?

Rather, it should be "3 attacks base, 1 attack for having a weapon in each hand, then 1 for charging".

Remember that is is 1 in each hand... not just for having 2. Otherwise you could load a character up with 50 close combat weapons at 1 point a piece for an extra 25 attacks!

Inquisitor Ralei · 11-04-2006

I squeeze as many Plasma Pistols as I can into all my SM Assault Squads.
I can't decide if my Veteran Sergeant's should have their Plasma Pistol or Power Weapon Master Crafted. I usually have some of both.

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-04-2006

anyone that you're going to tool up, DONT give the Plasma Pistol to

Inquisitor Ralei · 11-04-2006

That could be a problem considering all my Veteran Sergeants have a Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon.
I take it from your response you're wary of Plasma Pistols? I'm usually ok with them and even if they do Get Hot, they've all got Artificer Armour.

Commisar General Pereira · 11-04-2006

ok so if I Give my HSO a power fist does that mean that he gets 5 attacks with no saves allowed?

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-05-2006

5 powerweapon attacks at double strength yes

Inquisitor Rosenadel · 11-06-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inquisitor Ralei

7 attacks?!

You get +1A for having 2 close combat weapons and +1A on the charge.

My Terminator Chaplain on the charge has a total of 5 S5 I6 attacks with re-roll for all failed to hit rolls.
It's a shame I can't get Furious Charge for a jet pack Chaplain, what with him only being able to get the ability if he is part of a Command Squad!

So play Blood Angels...

Yarium is right: +1 for what I call "Dual Wielding": a one-handed weapon in each hand.

In response to General Pereira's last question, your opponent would not have save with a power weapon, too. A power fist is a power weapon that doubles strength and reduces initiative to 1.

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-07-2006

just a thought.
If your fighting with PF from cover or with frag grenades against cover, does the PF get bumpped up in init?

Yarium · 11-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

just a thought.
If your fighting with PF from cover or with frag grenades against cover, does the PF get bumpped up in init?

Nope, Powerfists ALWAYS strike at Initiative 1, whilst models being assaulted whilst in cover strike at Initiative 10...

SO...

The model goes up to Initiative 10, but his Powerfist will strike at Initiative 1.

If the models are assaulting the cover, but they have grenades, then their initiative goes up to 10 - but any Powerfists in either squad still strike at Initiative 1.

Hope that answers your questions!

Torquemada Coteaz · 11-07-2006

hmm ok i was right.
I always just assumed that powerfist rule is overriding the cover initiative rule, without ever asking why or if i was really correct.
good to know i havent been cheating =D
or else i'd kill my self, i hate cheaters D: <

experiment 626 · 11-10-2006

it's generally not a good idea to give a heroic senior officer (or any officer!) a power fist as they are a T3 independent character and so can be singled out! striking at I1 and with only a T3 means he'll usually get smashed before he can swing! (i've stoped this combo as my regular opponents have gotten wise this sad fact!)

save the power fists for commissars and hardened veteran sergeants who are not IC's!

cheers!

11-04-2006	#1 (permalink)
Commisar General Pereira Primer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Washington,DC Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	base attacks and Weapons I was wondering.My Heroic Senior Officer hase 3 attacks base.He has a power sword and a plasma pistol.He charges into a enemy.Does this mean he has 7 attacks? (3 base,2 for power weapon,1 for CC weapon and pistol,and charges)Also does 0-1 mean that you can only have 1 of that unit even if you have 2 detachments? __________________ If its good enough for the Imperium,its good enough for me.

11-04-2006	#2 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	on the turn he charges he gets 3 + 1 for charging + 1 for dual CC 0-1 means that per every force organisation chart (chart, not slot) you can have up to 1 of that unit. i.e. every "army" can have one. EDIT: i'm fairly sure that 7 is not what he's getting. that's a LOT of attacks. Sure Helbrecht has from 5 to 8 attacks on the charge (4 base, 1 charge, D3 sword of high marshalls) but he's a BT character with a special power sword __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-04-2006	#3 (permalink)
Inquisitor Ralei Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 292 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	7 attacks?! You get +1A for having 2 close combat weapons and +1A on the charge. My Terminator Chaplain on the charge has a total of 5 S5 I6 attacks with re-roll for all failed to hit rolls. It's a shame I can't get Furious Charge for a jet pack Chaplain, what with him only being able to get the ability if he is part of a Command Squad! __________________ *Cogito Ergo Sum*

11-04-2006	#4 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	yeah 5 attacks for the senior officer P.s. don't give him the plasma. I dont want to see him burn himself with it when lighting a cigar. __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-04-2006	#5 (permalink)
Yarium Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey, he could be Sargeant Hot Hands! But, yes, 5 attacks would be correct if he's base 3. Weapons themselves don't confer extra attacks (unless specifically mentioned), and you gain 1 attack when you have 2 weapons that are defined as close combat weapons. You also gain 1 attack for charging. I believe you saw it as "3 attacks base, 1 attack for using a weapon, 1 attack for using another weapon, 1 attack for having 2 weapons, then 1 for charging" - is that correct? Rather, it should be "3 attacks base, 1 attack for having a weapon in each hand, then 1 for charging". Remember that is is 1 in each hand... not just for having 2. Otherwise you could load a character up with 50 close combat weapons at 1 point a piece for an extra 25 attacks! __________________ "I only know that I know nothing." -Socrates Visit My Web-Blog:http://yarium40kblog.blogspot.com/

11-04-2006	#6 (permalink)
Inquisitor Ralei Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 292 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I squeeze as many Plasma Pistols as I can into all my SM Assault Squads. I can't decide if my Veteran Sergeant's should have their Plasma Pistol or Power Weapon Master Crafted. I usually have some of both. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Sum*

11-04-2006	#7 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	anyone that you're going to tool up, DONT give the Plasma Pistol to __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-04-2006	#8 (permalink)
Inquisitor Ralei Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 292 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That could be a problem considering all my Veteran Sergeants have a Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon. I take it from your response you're wary of Plasma Pistols? I'm usually ok with them and even if they do Get Hot, they've all got Artificer Armour. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Sum*

11-04-2006	#9 (permalink)
Commisar General Pereira Primer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Washington,DC Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	ok so if I Give my HSO a power fist does that mean that he gets 5 attacks with no saves allowed? __________________ If its good enough for the Imperium,its good enough for me.

11-05-2006	#10 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	5 powerweapon attacks at double strength yes __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-07-2006	#12 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	just a thought. If your fighting with PF from cover or with frag grenades against cover, does the PF get bumpped up in init? __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-07-2006	#14 (permalink)
Torquemada Coteaz The Grammar Cop Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the TC personal =][= estate on Encaladus Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 115 Thanked 50 Times in 36 Posts Blog Entries: 5	hmm ok i was right. I always just assumed that powerfist rule is overriding the cover initiative rule, without ever asking why or if i was really correct. good to know i havent been cheating =D or else i'd kill my self, i hate cheaters D: < __________________ My Site: www.freewebs.com/ejshtuffz All of my stuff are there. Current Projects, etc. General Wargaming Guide: here Picture/Art Blog: here (BT) Asomrof: Crusade Fluff: here Crusaders Fluff: here http://www.freewebs.com/jason-lastword/index.htm

11-10-2006	#15 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,148 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 40 Thanked 310 Times in 223 Posts	it's generally not a good idea to give a heroic senior officer (or any officer!) a power fist as they are a T3 independent character and so can be singled out! striking at I1 and with only a T3 means he'll usually get smashed before he can swing! (i've stoped this combo as my regular opponents have gotten wise this sad fact!) save the power fists for commissars and hardened veteran sergeants who are not IC's! cheers!

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