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10-23-2007
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| The Witchhunter   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In your imagination
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 |  Base Size - illegality issues Browsing as I do on other forums, I have stumbled across a thread discussing the legality of base sizes. As we all know, the rules clearly state that you must use a base no smaller than that supplied with the relevant model. The opinion on this site is that the base sizes on the old metal Chaos Terminators, and for anyone using the original Obliterator models is now illegal, as the new versions of each now have bigger bases as standard. My take on this is that it is rubbish. You use the old models with the base they come with, then they are legal, even if newer versions with larger bases have been released. By the letter of the rule book, you are complying with the rules. This one obviously affects the Space Wolf players with the Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour. Using the metal versions, they are supplied with the ordinary size base, but the generic plastic Terminators come with the larger base these days. I know it is slightly different as it could be argued that there is a separate model set for the Space Wolf versions, but technically, they are both still loyalist versions of Terminators. What are your thoughts on this? Drax Last edited by Drax; 10-23-2007 at 03:36 AM. |
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10-23-2007
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Blog Entries: 1 | I think your right. You can and only should be allowed to use the base supplied even if the mini changes. If you use a bigger base your putting yourself at a disadvantage as more minis can engage you in combat, so really if that happens I would let it slide if they really wanted to use that mini.
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10-23-2007
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| Well technically it is illegal. It is annoying yes but unfortunatly it seems ilegel. However I wouldn't mind the much as its a valid reason but if it gets ridiculous I.E. demon prince somehow on the medium type bases then yer no way. But for this I would make an exception although it does open up some cool conversion ideas. Although itsstupid how you would want a bigger base unless you were really cheesy and wanted your marine squad to hold that much more ground.
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10-23-2007
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As long as it wasn't a blatant attempt to be cheesy I dont think i mind to much.
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10-23-2007
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an old terminator has the ordinary base supplied as standard. even now, after the plastic versions have been released, were i to order an old metal terminator i would receive an ordinary size base, not the larger base that the plastic terminators use. therefore, on a old metal terminator, if i used the ordinary size base, i would be using the base supplied and thus i would comply with the rules - therefore how is this illegal? Last edited by Drax; 10-23-2007 at 04:39 AM. | |
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10-23-2007
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 | Th rule is (as I understand is you cannot go smaller than the base supplied with the model. But you can go larger - to the disadvantage of the player. You can quibble it's also a advantage... but it's marginal far outweighed by the disadvantage. So increase by all means... just no shrinking. Also the metal terminators are still supplied n the small base. As for the oblits... it's the base supplied.
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10-23-2007
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Blog Entries: 1 | not so, when I'm firing a twin linked FP prism at old termies I can get two under focused beam (more if bunched together) as opposed to one. But for the sake of the game I would let it go.
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10-23-2007
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  | Well as for the SW WG termies...I never liked the fact that Logan's base was of the 40mm variety while they were stuck on 25s...so am glad the new termies have the larger bases... As to the rules...well I believe that the older figs on smaller bases will eventually be phased out...so playin with what you have is fine...of course you could always remount the WG termies on to the newer bases...LOL..of course thay aren't to scale so...it's all about judgement at this point.
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10-23-2007
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| thanks wolfpack, but i think mart made the thread drift off point.  what i was getting at was that it has been claimed that the old terminators on the normal size bases are now illegal as they should now be remounted on the bigger bases. i strongly disagree, it is on the base it was supplied with, and so is illegal. am i not, by the letter of the rules, correct? |
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10-23-2007
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if you make a bitz order to get some of the old metal termies and you're sent the old 25mm bases, then you can use those - it's what you've been supplied with and basically 'told to use by GW'! if someone tries to pull that kind of crap during a game by saying your metal termies must be changed to 40mm bases, then they're being an ass! (you used what you were given and that's all that the rule in question demands you do!) cheers!
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10-23-2007
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| thankyou. it hasn't happened to me, but rather some guy on another forum has convinced at least 2 people to hack up their modelled/painted bases on their old metal chaos terminators and rebase them because a new version has been released with larger base sizes. which as far as i am concerned is ludicrous, and for that matter bad advice on the part of the person stating this Last edited by Drax; 10-23-2007 at 08:53 AM. |
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10-23-2007
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| I must say that you are correct as it is what is supplied with the figs...not our fault GW doesn't have all their nuts in one bag so to speak... As to the guy that is spreading seditious thought...hunt him down and flay his skin one layer at a time...this will end his raving lunacy
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10-23-2007
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| i shall wolfpack, thank you. in fact, i may even stick him in a room with krom for an evening - that will make him think twice about making incorrect statements! but in all serious, i just felt it was irresponsible and thoughtless as the ones taking his (incorrect) advice seemed to look up to the guy |
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10-23-2007
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| Perhaps they need to be directed to a forum where idiocy is dealt with in a harsher manner...perhaps here even..LMAO
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10-23-2007
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Blog Entries: 7 | personally, i like mounting the old chaos termies on their 25mm then mounting that on a 40mm and doing a nice scenic base. just me though.
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10-24-2007
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Thats what I was thinking about for conversion work and what I did with my SW conversion. Makes them look taller and standing on rough terrain.
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11-05-2007
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| Terminators with large bases is crap :P why they were changed?
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Some of the guys down here in hawaii just took their old termi models, base and all, and glued the whole thing to a larger base. It may not look very pretty but it works and its simple. Also a large bag of 40mm bases are pretty cheap. As I understand it, down here all termi models old or new must be on the larger bases in order for them to be tournament legal. Of course I may be mistaken.  | |
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11-05-2007
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Blog Entries: 7 | ok from what i can tell (and a lot of this is breaking the cardinal rule of 40k... I.E. apply common sense to rules interpretation.) You can use the old termie bases. as the rules specifically say "The Base a model is Mounted on can be NO SMALLER than the base the model was supplied with." IMO the old termie bases are still legal. what this does to squad coherency is minimal, but what it does to template weapons is very well, Ugly as fewer will ever be under it. HOWEVER this is also balanced with the deep strike rule. as you must put them in circles touching bases.... the smaller bases take up less space. so you have less chance of ever landing on terrain or other models. My 2 cents. Steve.
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11-08-2007
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| The key word in the rule is "was". it the rules stated ""The Base a model is Mounted on can be NO SMALLER than the base the model is currently supplied with.", then you would have to change it, but if the model was supplied with a smaller base when you got it, it's legal.
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