Character Attachment Question

[miketwitch]

Maybe I just missed in the rules, but can an independent character such as a librarian or farseer be attached to a unit before the game begins? If this is stated in the book, a page number would be great!

Thanks!

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by miketwitch

Maybe I just missed in the rules, but can an independent character such as a librarian or farseer be attached to a unit before the game begins? If this is stated in the book, a page number would be great!

Thanks!

Well I don't know a page number, but I think you can just start him out within 2" of a squad, and then he's part of it! That's all Independent Characters to if it's not their command squad: just remain within unit coherencey and he's in the squad!

[miketwitch]

Ok, but what about starting them inside a transport vehicle with the squad before the game starts? I know you can deploy them into the vehicle, but assuming deep strike or reserves apply, will they all come in together, or separate?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I think you have to get the squad out of the vehicle, have him join, then put back in

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

I think you have to get the squad out of the vehicle, have him join, then put back in

I think you can just have them all in the vehicle at the beginning. I've always allowed this simply because it makes sense. If it's not legal, you can start them in coherency right next to the vehicle, and then load 'em up and ship 'em out on your first turn.

As for deep striking, they would come on seperately because they're seperate units and since they're in reserve, can't start the game in coherency.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I've allowed it, just like i allow many house rules that are made for fun / hilarity factor.
but I'm just saying that i thought unload/load was the legal way to do it.
Best bet is to ask a staffer, and make sure with your opponent before hand

[Chaptermaster Kezef]

when one of my characters doesnt have a Command squad and i want to have them attached to a squad i have always said something to the effect of

"Character is Attached to this Squad" at the begining of the match before deployment and always placed the charater with the unit on the units deployment instead of the HQ deployment phase. this includes transportation, i never have had a problem with this as long as all other rules are met I.E not trying to stuff 11 marines in a 10 marine Vehicle.

typically when i make a squad i know im going to attach a character to i usually make it so that if its going to be transported in a vehicle, they all fit, I.E 1 sgt. 8 marines + Character for a total of 10 marines.

hope this helps

P.S Remember that if a IC joins a squad that has say Furious Charge or infiltrate or the like, the squad loses it untill the character leaves

[Steellegioncpt]

Well there is one thing that really bugged me. If I wanted to have a IC in a transport with a squad, is it true that I need to buy the transport twice. One for the squad and again for the Character?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

answer: no
the squad has a transport, the IC joins the squad

[Levin]

No, where did you hear that? You buy the transport for the squad then attatch the IC to the squad. If this happens to be the case during an escalation mission, the character is forced to deploy ahead of the squad and can enter the transport once it arrives.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

yep.
think about it logically:
IC + transport, Squad + transport
IC joins squad
now Transport, IC+Squad+Transport.
the extra transport is an unneccesary points sink and it would not be fair for GW to do that

[Chaptermaster Kezef]

yeah the IC can use whatever the squad can use as long as its still valid you cant put 11 men in a vehicle fitted for 10 etc. either he cant join (no room) or the squad loses Transport option is how i would allow it.

i suppose that a 10 man squad with a rhino gets joined by an IC he could always run alongside it as long as he maintains coherency...... j/k

also i believe that an IC cant have a Vehicle (not wargear) if he doesnt have a Command Squad

so it seams to follow IC + (Squad + Vehicle)

but on this topic can a vehicle with a large capacity only carry one squad?? LRC can carry 15 marines, so can i put 3 5 man squads in one?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

no, i don't tihnk so.
with something like a thunderhawk i think you can according to FW rules.
but with 40k vehicles all transports are "dedicated" whether or not you take them as such, meaning only 1 squad (and any attached IC) per vehicle.
If you take it as a heavy support or whatever i think that just means that you can put any squad in it, and be able to put other squads instead of it in mid battle, but not put multiple squads

[Chaptermaster Kezef]

well i know but how would one get a squad size of 15 though?

the most i can get is 12
Character + additional character + 10 man squad where would you get the other 3?

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

Originally Posted by Chaptermaster Kezef

well i know but how would one get a squad size of 15 though?

the most i can get is 12
Character + additional character + 10 man squad where would you get the other 3?

Keep in mind that the LRC was originally a Black Templars vehicle, and they can have one Neophyte per Space Marine, so they can have squads of 20!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

BT:
12 sword brethren
chaplain
marshall
EC
theres 15

[Chaptermaster Kezef]

forgot about the black templars, doh ..... ok ok im not a big fan of them so its understandable right, any ways when i played GK i owned a LRC never fielded it though.. stop playing GK's 2 reasons, 1. expensive to field 2. expensive to buy although i did sell my 2000 pts gk army for twice the amount which was good. guy made me an offer when i was talking to the store owner about starting regular space marines instead of GK's i couldnt resist.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I have a LOT of DH
i all different poses of DH inquisitors, 2x all the characters, one of each box set, all the assasin poses, and a lot of other stuff.

<-- i am too much of a custodes/DH fan and too big of a collector xDDD

such collecting as above is the reason my tau stalled for a while due to cash problems a year and a half back.

[experiment 626]

well, 'technically' the IC joins a unit in the movement phase... however, provided esscalation and reserves aren't in play, i have no problem with an opponent joining his/her IC to a desired squad during deployment - provided they tell me!!! (otherwise it's a very nasty shock!)

however, if the IC and squad are in reserve, they both have to pass their seperate reserve rolls as they are seperate FOC choices!
if my opponent passes both rolls on that turn, then again, i have no problem with everyone riding onto the board abord the squad's transport!

if say only the IC makes his roll though, then he *must* walk on and wait around for the sleepy-heads to wake-up and get with it before he can join them

hope that's not too confusing?!
cheers!

[Chaptermaster Kezef]

i found this in the 40k_rulebook_faq.pdf

Q. Reserves and joining units/transports. When
deploying an Independent Character, on page 81 the
rule book says that “you may specify that it starts the
game already inside a unit and place it in coherency with
it”. If the character and this unit are both kept in Reserve,
can you roll for them together (i.e. only one roll applying
to both), so that they enter the game together
(particularly if they are also using a transport)? This
seems to contradict the “Each selection from the Force
Organisation chart is diced for separately” on page 84
(Reserves). Similarly, can a squad start the game in
Reserve inside a transport vehicle that is not a
dedicated transport, so that I roll only one dice for both?

A. There is a way to use these two rules so that they do
not contradict each other.
If the Reserves rules are used, you must roll separately
for all Force Organisation chart selections at the start of
the turn (including rolling separately for Independent
Characters and non-dedicated transports). Once you
worked out which units are available in that turn, you are
allowed to combine them in any legal way. For example,
if an independent character, a squad and a nondedicated
transport all become available at the
beginning of turn 3, you could deploy them all separately
as normal, or the character could join the unit and then
the unit could enter the battlefield embarked on the
transport, as long as they fit inside it. Or any other legal
combination.

hope it helps