Close combat init. and cover. question.

[Ikarus]

So lets put this situation up.

Kroot are hiding on the forest

Emperors Children squad runs up into them and throws frag grenade.

So both are now Init. 10 Equivalent?

Warp scream -1 init

Kroot has Init. 9
EC has init. 10

Therefore EC gets to hit first regardless? Am I correct?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

given your description of it, yes you are correct.
however i'm not familiar with the chaos codex (i'll see if i'll buy one at GW this weekend when i visit the auction) so i can't make a judgement on the exact ruling for warp scream.
so basically if warp scream simply takes off 1 Initiative for enemy unit, then yes.

It does... However, if you have an Emperors Childre CC squad, a doom siren will make your asp. champion strike first in CC, except against models who always strik first regardless of initiative. Place that on them, and give the squad frags, and if you really want, furious charge. I've seen a squad of chosen do this, and saw Dark Angels with a total iniative of 3, after all effects (I think daemonic visage was in effect). Couple that with their transport having a warmp amp, and they are severly screwed. (- LD 1 in 12, 2 in 6, and 3 in b2b i believe). Daemonic visage only worsens this. The Emperors Children are one of the scariest, yet flexible Chaos armies.

[rintinglen]

Actually, no. You do not get to strike first against models in cover unless you are using a Doom Siren.
Back in the day when those lazy louts still cared enough about their product to publilsh Chapter Approved, they published the following on page 94 of the 2004 Chapter Approved Annual
"q. Does a model with warp scream and frag grenades strike first against models in cover?
A. No."
However, a few lines down when asked to describe the effect of the doom siren in assault, they wrote the following.
"A. The rules for the Doom Siren Take Precedence so all models strike in iniative sequence. Therefore, if a Lord of Slaneesh was charging some Imperial Guardsmen in a wood and was equipped with a Doom Siren he would strike at Initiative 5 and the Guardsmen striking at him would be at Initiative 2 (3 normal -1 for warp scream)."
I wish they would bring back Chapter Approved. Quite frankly, they aren't good enough writers to get by with Rules As Written.

[Stubber]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

The Emperors Children are one of the scariest, yet flexible Chaos armies.

It's a real shame they have to be pink.
Pink really betrays the tough guy image.

[Librarian_Tigurius]

Originally Posted by Stubber

It's a real shame they have to be pink.
Pink really betrays the tough guy image.

mine are currently in the process of being converted before painting but i have mine painted the original purple with gold trim and a highlight of pink