Hunting Lance question

[Pabst]

When using the hunting lance do you gain a +1 attack bonus for "off handed weapon" or does it count as a 2 handed weapon? I've been using it as 2 handed and only giving them there base attacks and +1 for charging (when they do).

Another question I have on the same subject is can rough riders continue to fight back in close combat at there base S,WS and Initiative after they have used there lances?

Thanks!

[hairyyahoo]

the lance grants you 1 attack (+1 for the charge) at higher initiative and strength, and can't be used with another weapon. later rounds of combat and subsequent assults are fought at your base characteristics. if the riders are charges they can still use the lances but don't get the s and i bouns, however the attack will still ignore saves.

so yeah essentially its a 2 handed weapon.

[Brother_Ambrose]

I hate roughriders... horses and lances should stay in fantasy...

[Pabst]

I love em. They are great for taking down pesky deepstriking enemies... although mine always tend to wiff there attacks

[Brother_Ambrose]

It doesnt make sense to have them in 40k...like the mechanical steed in fantasy... some GW employee was on someting that day...

[Baron Spikey]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

It doesnt make sense to have them in 40k...like the mechanical steed in fantasy... some GW employee was on someting that day...

I'd agree if all Imperial planets were alike, but they're not. Using rough riders can help theme your army to be a more barbaric one or, in the case of the Death Korp, one that resembles a WW1 army etc. Also rough riders dont neccessarily have to be mounted on horses, you could mount them on giant lizards (storm troopers on tatooine anybody?) or even give them combat bikes using the rules for rough riders.

All in all I think rough riders are a great idea and in keeping with much of the Imperial Guard background- the 'if it works why change it?' philosophy.

[Brother_Ambrose]

They just don't fit. My friend uses bikes for his, but guys on bikes with lances are even more out of place...

[Baron Spikey]

But if your going to go that far, you should be against chainswords used by sergeants, also you dont neccessarily have to use lances per say just something that could be considered to have the same rules, say a mount hung mini grenade launcher which is good for one shot as you charge/ride in- if you tell your opponent what they represent im sure there would be no problem.

But in the end your opinion is as valid as anyone elses, just as long as you dont criticise the people who hold the opposite opinion.

[Stubber]

Originally Posted by hairyyahoo

later rounds of combat and subsequent assults... if the riders are charges they can still use the lances but don't get the s and i bouns, however the attack will still ignore saves.

Afraid not. On page 46 of the IG codex it says
"They will automaticly use the lance in the first close combat they fight in a game, after which it cannot be used again."

So after the first round of combat, rough riders lose all the lances benefits and revert to their crappy guardsman stats only they don't have ANY weapons.

[hairyyahoo]

Originally Posted by Stubber

Afraid not. On page 46 of the IG codex it says
"They will automaticly use the lance in the first close combat they fight in a game, after which it cannot be used again."

So after the first round of combat, rough riders lose all the lances benefits and revert to their crappy guardsman stats only they don't have ANY weapons.

oops! a typo snuck in there when i wasn't looking. what i meant to say is that if the rough riders are charged they still get the "ignore saves" part of the lance but not the characteristic increase, and i should have mentioned something along the line of "if they haven't used their lances yet".
or the exact words of the errata;

"if the rough riders are charged, they may use the hunting lance. they will not get the strength or initiative bonus but will count as having power weapons."

and stubber, i did mention that they fight at their base chatacteristics in later rounds of combat, its just that the little typo and some bad sentence structure made my meaning unclear.

apologies for the shoddy post.

[Stubber]

Is not problem

[Brother_Ambrose]

I like the grenade launcher idea better... it seems much more likely. It's just like... why brings horses to a modern battlefield... kinda like bringing a knife to a gunfight, you know? Even in the present, horses aren't used anymore... they'd get mowed down by machine gun fire and such... as for the sergeant with chainsword, i've often wondered this myself. I like to think that it's traditional, and practical, as it helps distinguish him from regular troops. that and he gets an extra attack in cc...lol.

[Pabst]

Thanks for all the replies. I was clear on the Lances being 1 time use, I just was unsure of whether or not they could continue fighting with a close combat weapon at there base Strength and Initiative w/ armor saves alowed.
Thanks again!