Kasrkrin and Command Squad - 40K Terra

MSguardsmen · 03-02-2007

alright im going to change two of my assualt squads into storm troopers to help keep them alive in combat. do i need to give them a command squad or can i include them into my platoon of 2 other normal squads?

if thats confusing then lets try it this way. in my Kharnite Regiment i have a shooty platoon with an armoured fist and an assualty platoon with and armoured fist. now the armoured fist is with the assualty platoon. i was wondering if i can take out the 2 regular squads within the 2nd platoon and turn them into grenadiers.

hopefully you can understand this and help me out

Librarian_Tigurius · 03-02-2007

Armored fists and Storm troopers count as seperate choices from infantry platoons.... that is why when you start an imperial guard army most people go with 1 infantry platoon and one armored fist squad... cheap and effective... i personally didn't but it is your preference. infantry platoons are a good way to get a lot of guys... i did the calculations and with no points into upgrades you can fill your troops with infantry platoons for 1500 points... that is 300 guardsmen!!

so your list needs at least 1 infantry platoon consisting of 1 command squad and 2 infantry squads and 1 armored fist squad (or Storm trooper squad if you take the doctrine) that is one reason that armored fists are not restricted... that is how guard are organized... you must have an infantry platoon to deploy one because they put the armored fist squad under the command of one of the command squads of an infantry platoon they are effectively part of it but deployed seperatly to represent their independence on the field kasarkin on the other hand are elite special forces so do not need command other then from the army commander!

Good luck and have fun!

MSguardsmen · 03-03-2007

k thx i knew about the 1 platoon to one armoured fist squad and all that jazz. but i didnt know the same extended to grenaiders. thx for the help. i decided to just keep the list the way it is. after all grenaiders may survive longer but they dont get the hardened fighters doctrine as they were trained at that fancy smanshy school

experiment 626 · 03-03-2007

grenadiers are a seperate choice on the FOC and have no relation in any way to infantry platoons...

your only 2 restrictions on including them are;
a) the FOC itself as you only ever have 6 'Troops' max
b) the limitations of the grenadier doctrine. (ie: 0-3 squads max)

so by the sounds of it, instead of taking an armoured fist squad, you want to repleace it instead with a chimera mounted grenadier squad?!

hope this helps,
cheers!

MSguardsmen · 03-03-2007

oh curses now im gonna have to think about adding kasrkrin in now

Jezz i really like the guardsmen cheap effective and can hold the fight better with a WS of 4 (hardened fighters) or grenaiders who can hold longer with carapace armour. oh this is a hard one

Librarian_Tigurius · 03-04-2007

ok just so i am making sure we all understand... (cuz i am kinda confused myself)

as i said- you can take one armored fist squad AFTER you have taken one command squad and 2 troops for the infantry platoon but you can take kasarkin without taking an infantry platoon at all...

what i thought you said- take one infantry platoon consisting of 1 command 1 infantry and 1 armored fist... and you want to take kasarkin and you thought they have to be part of an infantry platoon...

what you really said- pretty much what i said...

is this correct?

MSguardsmen · 03-04-2007

um what i think what i though i was saying was do i need a command squad for every 2 grenaiders squads that i put in my army. i think

Librarian_Tigurius · 03-04-2007

ah ok...

no you don't they are a single troops(if you take the doctrine)/elites on thier own only infantry platoons and command platoons work like that... (where you need 1 command squad and you have some other squads under thier command)

03-02-2007	#1 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Kasrkrin and Command Squad alright im going to change two of my assualt squads into storm troopers to help keep them alive in combat. do i need to give them a command squad or can i include them into my platoon of 2 other normal squads? if thats confusing then lets try it this way. in my Kharnite Regiment i have a shooty platoon with an armoured fist and an assualty platoon with and armoured fist. now the armoured fist is with the assualty platoon. i was wondering if i can take out the 2 regular squads within the 2nd platoon and turn them into grenadiers. hopefully you can understand this and help me out

03-02-2007	#2 (permalink)
Librarian_Tigurius Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Annapolis MD Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Armored fists and Storm troopers count as seperate choices from infantry platoons.... that is why when you start an imperial guard army most people go with 1 infantry platoon and one armored fist squad... cheap and effective... i personally didn't but it is your preference. infantry platoons are a good way to get a lot of guys... i did the calculations and with no points into upgrades you can fill your troops with infantry platoons for 1500 points... that is 300 guardsmen!! so your list needs at least 1 infantry platoon consisting of 1 command squad and 2 infantry squads and 1 armored fist squad (or Storm trooper squad if you take the doctrine) that is one reason that armored fists are not restricted... that is how guard are organized... you must have an infantry platoon to deploy one because they put the armored fist squad under the command of one of the command squads of an infantry platoon they are effectively part of it but deployed seperatly to represent their independence on the field kasarkin on the other hand are elite special forces so do not need command other then from the army commander! Good luck and have fun! __________________ "Primarch, Progenitor - To your glory, and the glory of Him on Earth." "Do we need to hibernate or spit venom? Nay, we are the Fists and we shall crush our enemies!" You’ll be razing buildings faster than you can say "Lord Calgar has blue underpants, and the Administratum has counted each pair." Armies Played - Imperial Fists, Black Templars, Imperial guard, Noise Marines To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ched First, Horde Second, Self Last

03-03-2007	#4 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	grenadiers are a seperate choice on the FOC and have no relation in any way to infantry platoons... your only 2 restrictions on including them are; a) the FOC itself as you only ever have 6 'Troops' max b) the limitations of the grenadier doctrine. (ie: 0-3 squads max) so by the sounds of it, instead of taking an armoured fist squad, you want to repleace it instead with a chimera mounted grenadier squad?! hope this helps, cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-04-2007	#6 (permalink)
Librarian_Tigurius Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Annapolis MD Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	ok just so i am making sure we all understand... (cuz i am kinda confused myself) as i said- you can take one armored fist squad AFTER you have taken one command squad and 2 troops for the infantry platoon but you can take kasarkin without taking an infantry platoon at all... what i thought you said- take one infantry platoon consisting of 1 command 1 infantry and 1 armored fist... and you want to take kasarkin and you thought they have to be part of an infantry platoon... what you really said- pretty much what i said... is this correct? __________________ "Primarch, Progenitor - To your glory, and the glory of Him on Earth." "Do we need to hibernate or spit venom? Nay, we are the Fists and we shall crush our enemies!" You’ll be razing buildings faster than you can say "Lord Calgar has blue underpants, and the Administratum has counted each pair." Armies Played - Imperial Fists, Black Templars, Imperial guard, Noise Marines To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ched First, Horde Second, Self Last

03-04-2007	#8 (permalink)
Librarian_Tigurius Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Annapolis MD Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	ah ok... no you don't they are a single troops(if you take the doctrine)/elites on thier own only infantry platoons and command platoons work like that... (where you need 1 command squad and you have some other squads under thier command) __________________ "Primarch, Progenitor - To your glory, and the glory of Him on Earth." "Do we need to hibernate or spit venom? Nay, we are the Fists and we shall crush our enemies!" You’ll be razing buildings faster than you can say "Lord Calgar has blue underpants, and the Administratum has counted each pair." Armies Played - Imperial Fists, Black Templars, Imperial guard, Noise Marines To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ched First, Horde Second, Self Last

03-03-2007	#3 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	k thx i knew about the 1 platoon to one armoured fist squad and all that jazz. but i didnt know the same extended to grenaiders. thx for the help. i decided to just keep the list the way it is. after all grenaiders may survive longer but they dont get the hardened fighters doctrine as they were trained at that fancy smanshy school

03-03-2007	#5 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	oh curses now im gonna have to think about adding kasrkrin in now Jezz i really like the guardsmen cheap effective and can hold the fight better with a WS of 4 (hardened fighters) or grenaiders who can hold longer with carapace armour. oh this is a hard one

03-04-2007	#7 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	um what i think what i though i was saying was do i need a command squad for every 2 grenaiders squads that i put in my army. i think

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