Marine Company Standard Bearer Rule - Counterattack - 40K Terra

mrjjourden · 01-11-2008

The Marine Company Standard Bearer (and the squad he is attached to) gains the Counter-Attack ability if any unit charges into the Squad containing the Company standard.....now.....Counter-Attack counts as charging without the +1 attack bonus.....however.....if the squad is upgraded with Furious Charge....does the +1 S/+1 I bonus come into effect?

I have argued that it does....as Counter-Attack is a "Charging Movement". Once the closest enemy model (single or squad) charges into the Command Squad, no other enemy models move into base to base contact....the Marine Command Squad then Counter-Attacks and moves all models into base to base with the enemy....

Yes, the enemy squad retains their bonus characteristics on the charge.....but does the Command Squad gain the Furious Charge Bonus?

Any opinions?

Warmaster Romulas · 01-11-2008

that is an interesting way of interpreting thatrule
im not a rules lawyer but i think its only when you initiate the charge does furious charge apply

but i dont see why that wouldnt apply
let me consult my rule book and see

Captain Slow · 01-11-2008

Through experiance, you gain Furious attack, On the charge, not when being charged. and the mdoels that counter attack, count as 'counter attacking' and not chargeing.
nice idea you have there, and i would LOVE it to actually work, but not one that does however.

Lord Commander Erus · 01-11-2008

Slow's pegged it.. You are NOT actually charging but counter attacking.

hairyyahoo · 01-12-2008

i concur, no furious charge bonuses for counter attacking.

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 01-12-2008

only the most stringent of rules-lwayers wuld interpret the rule that way. counter charge is not an assault, therefore, furious charge will not work

experiment 626 · 01-13-2008

counter-assault is treated in a similar way to a 'sweeping advance'. (ie: using a massacre or consolodation move into an fresh enemy unit)
you don't count as 'charging into assault' and thus anything that gives you benifits for 'charging into assault' have no effect... so no +1A, furious charge, etc...

cheers!

Brother Warchild · 01-13-2008

I had this same question about this a while back.The way i was told is,If your charged you can counter attack all you are doing is jumping forwrd to meet the charge so you can get as many models into CC wiyh no +1{you didn't charge}.
Hope that helped.

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mrjjourden Conscript Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Marine Company Standard Bearer Rule - Counterattack The Marine Company Standard Bearer (and the squad he is attached to) gains the Counter-Attack ability if any unit charges into the Squad containing the Company standard.....now.....Counter-Attack counts as charging without the +1 attack bonus.....however.....if the squad is upgraded with Furious Charge....does the +1 S/+1 I bonus come into effect? I have argued that it does....as Counter-Attack is a "Charging Movement". Once the closest enemy model (single or squad) charges into the Command Squad, no other enemy models move into base to base contact....the Marine Command Squad then Counter-Attacks and moves all models into base to base with the enemy.... Yes, the enemy squad retains their bonus characteristics on the charge.....but does the Command Squad gain the Furious Charge Bonus? Any opinions? __________________ Gaius Junius Jourdanius CAPT IX CO LEGIO PERDANUS

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Warmaster Romulas Major Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!! Posts: 1,771 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 204 Thanked 122 Times in 96 Posts	that is an interesting way of interpreting thatrule im not a rules lawyer but i think its only when you initiate the charge does furious charge apply but i dont see why that wouldnt apply let me consult my rule book and see __________________ ""A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." Frederick Douglass "A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, if we dont get no tolls then we dont eat no rolls" Little John Robin Hood: Men in Tights CLICK HERE TO SEE My July Painting Comp Entry Chaplain Charlie

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Captain Slow Corporal Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: THE MOON!!! no seriously. Posts: 415 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 17 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Through experiance, you gain Furious attack, On the charge, not when being charged. and the mdoels that counter attack, count as 'counter attacking' and not chargeing. nice idea you have there, and i would LOVE it to actually work, but not one that does however. __________________ 40K games W / L / D 17 27 8 Next Game: 500pts Combat patrol Red Scorpions mechanised VS Tau Last Game: 750pts The Scions Of Ares (DA, Mech) VS The Angels Encarmine Result: Loss Reason? If the Death company dreado had not contested in the turn 7, the game would have been a draw Will Photoshop for food!!: "oh look, pretty explosions" Attributed to: Anon

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Lord Commander Erus First Chaplain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,395 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 170 Thanked 344 Times in 223 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Slow's pegged it.. You are NOT actually charging but counter attacking. __________________ "Truth is infinite. It is defined by our perception of the facts; therefore we can never know absolute truth, we can only guess at it. A man who knows he has done no wrong needs no redemption, regardless of the views of others. The truth is what he believes it to be. A man who knows he has done wrong can only be redeemed when he chooses to forgive himself." -Lord Inquisitor Balkoth Black Saints Adeptus Astartes Chapter

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,063 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 38 Thanked 283 Times in 207 Posts	Re: Marine Company Standard Bearer Rule - Counterattack counter-assault is treated in a similar way to a 'sweeping advance'. (ie: using a massacre or consolodation move into an fresh enemy unit) you don't count as 'charging into assault' and thus anything that gives you benifits for 'charging into assault' have no effect... so no +1A, furious charge, etc... cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	only the most stringent of rules-lwayers wuld interpret the rule that way. counter charge is not an assault, therefore, furious charge will not work

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Brother Warchild Lodge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Fenris-AKA-Olympia Washington Posts: 2,515 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 656 Thanked 261 Times in 199 Posts	Re: Marine Company Standard Bearer Rule - Counterattack I had this same question about this a while back.The way i was told is,If your charged you can counter attack all you are doing is jumping forwrd to meet the charge so you can get as many models into CC wiyh no +1{you didn't charge}. Hope that helped. __________________ Check out the Librarium and the Battlefield My Stuff ( links ) Lupercal! A truescale Luna Wolf's W.I.P Wolves of Fenris A Space Wolve's W.I.P Death Guard, Land Raider W.I.P Legion of the Damned W.I.P Tricks of the Trade

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