Space Marine Sgt - 40K Terra

MSguardsmen · 03-06-2007

well i finally gave into temptation and bought a space marine codex. and i think ill start an ultramarines list depending on how my list making goes ( i simply love the Marneus and Honor Guard models look)

so who the heck is this sergeant that has to be in almost every squad? does he have the same stats as a regular space marine ... in his squad? if so why the heck is he squad leader?

also what are the traits for a ultramarine army?

Baron Spikey · 03-06-2007

An Ultramarines army doesn't have traits, the only deviation they have from the Codex Astartes is the honour guard and the tyranid hunters.

The Sgt is just the most experienced of the squad who can be further upgraded to veteran status so he can take items from the armoury.

r4wr89 · 03-06-2007

umm i'm not sure about the sergeant, but the ultramarines get it easy in the way of traits-they have none. granted, they get no cool bonuses, but they also avoid annoying restrictions that DIY and other divergent chapters have to deal with. :]

good luck with your ultras! :]
and i think, vet sergeants get +1 attack and a leadership of 9 if originally lower, that is all i can think of that distinguishes veteran sergeants. normal sergeants have no bonuses at all, except for being able to take bp and ccw instead of standard bolters.

i'm not sure if that applies to ultras though..
-ant

masterofweirdness · 03-06-2007

A Sgt. is EXACTLY like a normal space marine, except that he can get a BP and CCW for free.

Also, unless stated otherwise, only a Sgt. can get Terminator Honors, and only the sgt. can every have access to the armory (except for the special dudes in the command squad).

UM get no traits... which is silly, because, when making my army lists, I pick my traits, make the list, and THEN select drawbacks that don't/least affect me

MSguardsmen · 03-06-2007

ah crap that means i cant have the marneus and honour guard with see but dont be seen. after realizing that little infiltrator tip i could deploy 4 lascannons no more than 18 inches from that tank or crisis suit or over 4 hbs right at that guard squad.

r4wr89 · 03-07-2007

you could field that, but not with marny, unfortunately...well i don't think so. actually if you ask a friend in a pick up game you might get away with it :]

but personally i think DIYing a chapter is more fun cause you get to make up alllll the background/character names, all the weapons and equipment, etc :]

-ant

OgrynGore · 03-08-2007

Honor Guard are with MG. Check his rules for his Command Squad. Also If you really really like the Honor Guard, you can include one in every tact, devy or vet squad.

MSguardsmen · 03-08-2007

i know so i just decided to go ahead and make a DIY Knight Templar chapter with see but dont be seen and suffer not the works of heretics with an easy flesh over steel drawback.

Dan296 · 03-08-2007

hahaha....marneus. meet kharn the betrayer and a unit of taloned posessed. good times....good times..

anyway...
they just list the squads as "seargant and # marines" cause he can have a CC/BP for free. i never do it unless its a close combat squad. why would i have a close combat seargent in a devestator squad? noone knows.

MSguardsmen · 03-08-2007

but the models are just so fricken cool. im gonna have to find a way to use them as "count as" models in the templar army of mine

r4wr89 · 03-08-2007

that'll be fine...the only thing you might worry about is the ultras iconography that is all over marny and his honor guard, other than that, it should be cool! :]
-ant

MSguardsmen · 03-08-2007

hmmm true. however the knights templar had knights from other families that were able to keep their heraldry. i might allow this in my fluff sorta like the grey knights and tech marines.

Baron Spikey · 03-08-2007

...or the Penitent Knights.

sorry had to get my little plug in there

MSguardsmen · 03-08-2007

i will hurt you

03-06-2007	#1 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Space Marine Sgt well i finally gave into temptation and bought a space marine codex. and i think ill start an ultramarines list depending on how my list making goes ( i simply love the Marneus and Honor Guard models look) so who the heck is this sergeant that has to be in almost every squad? does he have the same stats as a regular space marine ... in his squad? if so why the heck is he squad leader? also what are the traits for a ultramarine army?

03-06-2007	#2 (permalink)
Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere between Crewe and Stoke in the Midlands Posts: 1,947 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 73 Thanked 146 Times in 114 Posts Blog Entries: 1	An Ultramarines army doesn't have traits, the only deviation they have from the Codex Astartes is the honour guard and the tyranid hunters. The Sgt is just the most experienced of the squad who can be further upgraded to veteran status so he can take items from the armoury. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Battles Updated Daily (Enter via Insignia)

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r4wr89 The Emperor's Mercy Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pelossus Alida Posts: 1,783 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 261 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	umm i'm not sure about the sergeant, but the ultramarines get it easy in the way of traits-they have none. granted, they get no cool bonuses, but they also avoid annoying restrictions that DIY and other divergent chapters have to deal with. :] good luck with your ultras! :] and i think, vet sergeants get +1 attack and a leadership of 9 if originally lower, that is all i can think of that distinguishes veteran sergeants. normal sergeants have no bonuses at all, except for being able to take bp and ccw instead of standard bolters. i'm not sure if that applies to ultras though.. -ant __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. SHOWBREAD. ANOREXIA/NERVOSA. MAY THIRTEENTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

03-07-2007	#6 (permalink)
r4wr89 The Emperor's Mercy Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pelossus Alida Posts: 1,783 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 261 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	you could field that, but not with marny, unfortunately...well i don't think so. actually if you ask a friend in a pick up game you might get away with it :] but personally i think DIYing a chapter is more fun cause you get to make up alllll the background/character names, all the weapons and equipment, etc :] -ant __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. SHOWBREAD. ANOREXIA/NERVOSA. MAY THIRTEENTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

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OgrynGore Conscript Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Arnold, Maryland Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Honor Guard are with MG. Check his rules for his Command Squad. Also If you really really like the Honor Guard, you can include one in every tact, devy or vet squad. __________________ "Eight frag grenades tied to a trip-line, buried in the dust. Curiosity does the rest." - Feron, Imperial Fists Scout "Be bloody, bold and resolute." - Motto of the Blood Angels 10th Company Blood Angels 10th Scout Company: Wins:2 Loses:0 Ties:1 Ched First, Horde Second, Self Last

03-06-2007	#5 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	ah crap that means i cant have the marneus and honour guard with see but dont be seen. after realizing that little infiltrator tip i could deploy 4 lascannons no more than 18 inches from that tank or crisis suit or over 4 hbs right at that guard squad.

03-08-2007	#8 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	i know so i just decided to go ahead and make a DIY Knight Templar chapter with see but dont be seen and suffer not the works of heretics with an easy flesh over steel drawback.

03-08-2007	#9 (permalink)
Dan296 The Dark Apostle Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,692 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 59 Times in 33 Posts	hahaha....marneus. meet kharn the betrayer and a unit of taloned posessed. good times....good times.. anyway... they just list the squads as "seargant and # marines" cause he can have a CC/BP for free. i never do it unless its a close combat squad. why would i have a close combat seargent in a devestator squad? noone knows. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I am a leaf on the wind Watch how i soar To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-08-2007	#10 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	but the models are just so fricken cool. im gonna have to find a way to use them as "count as" models in the templar army of mine

03-08-2007	#11 (permalink)
r4wr89 The Emperor's Mercy Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pelossus Alida Posts: 1,783 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 261 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	that'll be fine...the only thing you might worry about is the ultras iconography that is all over marny and his honor guard, other than that, it should be cool! :] -ant __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. SHOWBREAD. ANOREXIA/NERVOSA. MAY THIRTEENTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

03-08-2007	#12 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	hmmm true. however the knights templar had knights from other families that were able to keep their heraldry. i might allow this in my fluff sorta like the grey knights and tech marines.

03-08-2007	#13 (permalink)
Baron Spikey Adeptus Primarch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere between Crewe and Stoke in the Midlands Posts: 1,947 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 73 Thanked 146 Times in 114 Posts Blog Entries: 1	...or the Penitent Knights. sorry had to get my little plug in there __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Battles Updated Daily (Enter via Insignia)

03-08-2007	#14 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 423 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	i will hurt you

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