Veil of Tears and non joined ICs - 40K Terra

Drax · 11-04-2007

So the rules for Veil of Tears states that a unit may ignore a harlequin squad for target priority if it is under the effect of Veil of Tears.

does this extend to allow me to shoot at non joined Independat Characters which is further away than the Harlequins?

i.e. a Harlequin Troupe, protected by Veil of Tears is the closest unit to my CSMs. since i can ignore the Harlies for target priority, i can shoot at a target further away.

however, the rules for Independant Characters say that i can't shoot at an IC if it is not the closest unit.

does this mean i still cannot target the IC?

experiment 626 · 11-04-2007

my personal opinion; no. while viel of tears allows you to ignore the normal target priority, the "shooting at IC's" is a different rule and thus the harlies will still count as the closest unit in this regard...

still though, it's definately one of those many 'grey areas', so your best bet is to chat about such potential situations with your opponent before the game begins!

cheers!

Drax · 11-05-2007

Cheers Stitch.

i intentionally tried not to say which way i thought the ruling went so as not to influence an answer, but i gotta say, i think you are right.

i'm sure mart will agree too!

on a similar theme, i take it Lash can't target the IC? and is also subject to having to spot the Harlies as well?

SteveBerenyi · 11-05-2007

IMO i'd say you are both correct, you would need to shoot at the harlies (if you can) that is just the way that i see it.

Also this fits fluff wise as the would still block line of sight.

Veil of tears DOES NOT make them invisible. it just makes the people trying to target them ignore them. they are still there and can be seen, just cant be shot at and as such block line of sight.

experiment 626 · 11-05-2007

well, the way i look at it;
the harlies are still a viable "unit" which is closer. you cannot shoot at an IC unless they are infact the closest actual model to your unit...
viel of tears simply ignores the requiremtn for taking a target priority test if you wish to shoot at a more distant unit. a solitary IC is still an IC and thus the IC rules apply - not the target priority rules.

method to my madness or just plain barking?!! it's up to you to decide which!

cheers!

Drax · 11-06-2007

no thats good enough for me, just wanted to make sure there weren't any loopholes i could use

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	my personal opinion; no. while viel of tears allows you to ignore the normal target priority, the "shooting at IC's" is a different rule and thus the harlies will still count as the closest unit in this regard... still though, it's definately one of those many 'grey areas', so your best bet is to chat about such potential situations with your opponent before the game begins! cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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SteveBerenyi I Have A Fish In My Pants Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Butte, Montana Posts: 2,601 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 207 Thanked 246 Times in 158 Posts Blog Entries: 5	IMO i'd say you are both correct, you would need to shoot at the harlies (if you can) that is just the way that i see it. Also this fits fluff wise as the would still block line of sight. Veil of tears DOES NOT make them invisible. it just makes the people trying to target them ignore them. they are still there and can be seen, just cant be shot at and as such block line of sight. __________________ WIN/DRAW/LOSS On The Battlefield 4 / 1 / 4 VOTE To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ends April 22 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ends April 24 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PLEASE VOTE!!!

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 2,731 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 188 Times in 139 Posts	well, the way i look at it; the harlies are still a viable "unit" which is closer. you cannot shoot at an IC unless they are infact the closest actual model to your unit... viel of tears simply ignores the requiremtn for taking a target priority test if you wish to shoot at a more distant unit. a solitary IC is still an IC and thus the IC rules apply - not the target priority rules. method to my madness or just plain barking?!! it's up to you to decide which! cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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