End of Imperium

[Torquemada Coteaz]

and to get anime fans in the hobby with the mecha/japaneseness factor

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

Indeed. On the topic of Exterminatus, there are different methods. Yes, the Methane created by a Virus Bomb can set the atmosphere on fire, but there are more direct methods of it.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

yeah. I'm pretty sure they have a type of bomb/torp made just for making firestorms,
though I'm sure virus bombs are much more efficient ( besides needing a lance shot )

[Inquisitor Ralei]

If they have then I'm not aware of it.
They have planet killer torpedos such as those that are used to destroy Seneshal as well as Vortex torpedos which would probably do the job as well.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

i was sure there was some plasma-related thing that was used in exterminatus

strange... athread about the end of the imperium is now about the imperium killing planets.

[Templar Mikeel]

I got this off of wikipedia. Hope it helps. If you go on you'll see the pictures



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The planet Dolumar IV is subjected to Exterminatus after a battle between the Imperium, the Tau, and the forces of Chaos. An orbiting ship obliterates the center of the Chaos corruption with a powerful lance strike Cyclonic Torpedoes are launched at the site, in order to wipe out anything tainted by Chaos. Finally, the temple site is directly bombarded by the Imperial fleet, with enough firepower to crack the planet's crust.Within the fictional universe of Warhammer 40,000, Exterminatus in Extremis (normally known as Exterminatus) is the name of an order given by the Imperium to destroy a planetary biosphere.

Exterminatus is typically used only as a last resort, when the price of holding or retaking the world is deemed to be too high, or the threat of mutation or heresy too great to contain by conventional means. Thus Exterminatus has very rarely been used on vital or valuable planets to the Imperium. Typically, the order may only be given by a high-ranking Imperial Warmaster, or a member of the Inquisition.

Exterminatus can be carried out in many different ways. The most common is an orbital bombardment, which can be done through the conventional firepower of the Imperial Navy. Typically, however, special weapons are used, designed to destroy all life on a planet's surface, and potentially any entrenched in the planet's crust.

Virus Bombs release a special type of virus designed to quickly spread and destroy all organic cellular structures, reducing all life on the planet's surface to a mass of slime. This process also releases millions of tons of flammable gases into the planet's atmosphere, and as a final touch, the Virus Bombs ignite this gas, turning the atmosphere into a firestorm that usually takes out anything the virus somehow missed. Only those who may have escaped into specially-made shelters deep underground can survive a Virus Bomb attack. The population of the planet Tallarn managed to escape complete destruction this way, but the once-verdant world was forever transformed into a desert.

Cyclonic Torpedoes are more direct in action, immediately igniting the planet's atmosphere.

During the 13th Black Crusade, Lord Castellan Ursarkar E. Creed ordered a massive reactor on the prison world of St. Josmane's Hope to be overloaded when it seemed that the forces of Chaos would finally take the world. Rather than a nuclear meltdown, the reactor exploded, blowing the entire planet apart.

There are also, rarer, more specialised weapons capable of inflicting exterminatus upon worlds with no atmosphere or biological material (so called Necron Tomb Worlds are the main example). These typically take the form of special torpedoes, equipped with a two stage warhead. The first warhead is a melta charge, which cuts a hole through the planetary crust, allowing the rest of the torpedo to penetrate the core of the planet. The second stage of the warhead is a modified cyclonic warhead, which upon detonation destabilises the planetary core. This is sufficient to physically destroy the planet in most cases.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

ah. good old wiki

good stuff. so i guess they are seperate things in a way

[O'For'la]

It's not the Tau style to bomabard planets with orbital fire making them unlivable. While the Tau Air Caste is able to rain an un-godly amount of orbital artilery down upon a given location, their first and last option is to invade and conquer if held by an enemy. Only if the Ethereals command it or Tau forces are in desperation, will they commit such a haneous act of destruction and murder.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

undoubtedly! im sure tau would rather persist and try to assimilate a world in the name of the greater good than completely destroying it, rendering it uninhabitable for hundreds of years.

id say exterminatus isnt something the imperium does quickly - its usually just reserved for planets that have fallen to chaos in such a way that they cant be recovered. In the everyday goings on of the imperium, im sure exterminatus is not a word in common vocabulary (at least i hope not)

[Killermoose]

If it was:

Inquisitor: You guys better behave or I'll get exterminatus on your planet!!

[Dominic Baelfore]

i'd say necrons or chaos would be the eventual victors. the necrons because, lets face it, they've come pretty damn close before the time of man, and were only stopped by an alliance of races far superior to the current races. (bar the eldar, but they're pretty much a dying race.)

and the chaos gods, well they've got an etirnity to wait for there chance. even if the tyrinids eventually consume the whole galaxy, what then? what can they absorb after they have reduced everything to dead barren existence? the gods of chaos can simply wait for the hive mind to die of starvation and for evolution to begin all over again. not only that, but this would allow them to twist the new creations and evolutions as the see fit, allowing them to warp and twist an entire species to their own whims.

if orks beat the 'nids, same situation. races with a mind set to purely make war are doomed from the begining. the only differance is the chaos gods can have a bit of fun in the process!!
(however i am an imperial player for the most part, so either way this is bad news for me!!)

[Dan296]

if the nids win, eating everything in the galexy, they move on to the next galaxy! thats why they are in THIS one in the first place!
the nids wont die of starvation, they simply digest the non-synapse nids and send the synapse into stasis.
and nids arent neccesarily immune to viruses. against hive fleet Kraken, Inquisitor Kryptman created a virus that stripped away synapse control, which allowed them to be beaten.
and if the orks killed everyone else, then they would war amongst themselves, making everyone happy. an eternity of war sounds like ork heaven.

[NemFX]

I think it'll all boil down to Tyranids vs Orks vs Necrons.


.. Tyranids can convert whole planets to spawning worlds.

.. Orks can do their whole spore thing.

.. Necrons will probably have some kind of Deus Ex Machina device.


In any event, it should be interesting. I'd personally put money on a random Squat winning though. Everything would explode then a Squat would pop up and be like "Can we come back now?"

[Lord Erak Grimnar]

if all the orks can stop fighting each other and join forces everybody would be dead

[BrainDeleted]

Something we haven't touched on:

1) The star child theory where the Emperor dies and reincarnates him self because he soul is sent to the warp and while he is in the warp he kills the chaos gods with his massive psykic power And we all know that with the Emperor at the helm man kind can overcome anything through sheer usness!!! (that is being human) if the Imperium falls the golden throne would be destroyed or in the chaos of a massive invasion an inquisitor that believes the star child theory would help him die

2) My own concoction, The Green God, If in fact the orks win for any number of reasons it is a victory for chaos as the eternity of war, pain and violence that follows an orkish victory another vile chaos god would likely form much in the fashion of Khorne i.e. the eldar had an eternity of sex and just look how that turned out!

3) Do we really know how the Imperium will fall? It could ba any # of things as you all seem to assume it could be due to constant war that we just can't win in our current state or it could be that terra is destroyed somehow and the head cut off the beast many splinter empires would form some would be deep in space held firmly by the Imperium and with out the big I to suppress them could herald a new golden age of Science and Art that may lead to a new human race equipped to win the galactic war and many of these sorts of empires could fall to chaos in the same stride but there is always hope, some would say no they would be crushed by the legion enemies of man but the other splinter empires would be on the fringes and borders fighting and stalling the enemies of man...

well its just a theory but such a thing could also happen French revolution style where people somehow realize "hey, we can do better then this" and bring the splintering of the Imperium about

Remember Humans don't come with the mental power of Tau, the psykic power of Eldar, or the physical hardiness or strength of orks...BUT we do have one thing all the others don't and can't possess:
spirit and willpower





I'm just brain storming!!!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I'm pretty positive the imperium will fall unless emperor will 1) destroy chaos 2) reincarnate into an even MORE uber awesome form than he was before and kill all things in the material universe (except 'umies)

but as it stands on its present course, the imperium is both thriving and dying at the same time, in perfect balance on the edge of the abyss. a little push and *whoosh* we're gone.

Star Child Theory: I don't remember much on star child theory, so i'm not sure on how well he can combat chaos in his ethereal form (especially if he got wounded in that form :P). It'd be a VERY interesting fight nonetheless

[BrainDeleted]

I think its something long the lines of his soul goes to the warp just like any other living being but since he is so powerful instead of falling to the predations of daemons he would at least be able to reincarnate himself but would definatly kill a lot of daemons and put the hurtin on the 4 powers

It says somewhere that Tzeentch (smartess chaos god) subtlety manipulate the other godsto keep the big E alive and fears his death above all things

My point with the Imperium was just the fall of the IoM isn't necessarily the fall of mankind f the Imperium falls there would b anarchy and other splinter empires of men would arise from the ashes (man kind is so wide spread they won't all be dead when the imperium falls ) so just that there is potenial in mankind yet

[Torquemada Coteaz]

well if IoM falls, it's a matter of time before wipeout. splinter organisations of humans means infighting. infighting + every major race against us = doom. plus a lot of wars we are winning because of sheer numbers coordinated against the xenos/chaos. if we splinter we wont have either
unless like i said the Emperor gets reincarnated

[God_Grinder]

yes torqu orcs are very resiliant and they breed like wild flowers, but they are so feral and agressive even twards eachother that they could never be organized enough hold against or withstand the nids once they come in full strength. we have only seen the very tip of the tyranid swarms that are sure to eventualy make ther way here once they have eaten all the other crumbs on the trail. the masive and costantly spreading orcs are only goint to draw the tyranids to themselves. yet the orcs spread so fast ther could quite literaly be an etrnity of the nids chasing ther favoret food threw the galexies. hmmm come to think of it maybe thats what brought the nids here in the first place?

[wolfpack]

I look at it like this regardless of whether or not the IoM falls...the galaxy will burn with war..so for the time being...I say...LET IT BURN!!!!!(job security is always a plus when you are bred for war...and have a really big axe and a bunch of drinkin buddies to help out)

[Steellegioncpt]

I have to agree with everyone that says Orks, they will not only engulf the Imperium but the whole Universe!

And here is how its going to happen.

What they need is unity just like the Emperor is to mankind. If you think about it mankind was getting handed to them by civil war, space priates and alien raids but once they had some unity that slaps them back into shape, well the space marines are a pretty nice end result!

So once they get their leader, I mean man, whats going to stop that many orks. If you think about it even if they rally together under the ideals of Gorka Morka which is a common interest among orks that is something. Similar to God and all of Christanity, Crusades anyone?

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

the tyranids will stop the orks... theres mre of them and theyre better in combat

[Spartan2154]

true...orks are bested in combat and numbers. i agree that the orks will waste everyone, then the tyranids will waste eveything, till they run out of stuff to waste then they starve and die....

The End

[BrainDeleted]

then evolution begins again, but the 'nids aren't unstopable...

Who knows what they have actually done or how many there are. They could of been defeated in the last galaxy they were in and aren't too numerous or they could of just been to a galaxy without very much technology and had a feast and number in the trillions...for me there are infinite things that could of happened to the nids and without know what happened in their past I'm not going to say they'd win

Besides ncrons and orks would own them