Pins/studding on power armor? - 40K Terra

Lord Commander Erus · 01-30-2008

Right, looking through the Dave Taylor custodes army, and i've decided to do some studding to my shoulder pads on my terminatos, and maybe some on their greaves, etc.. The problem is, I don't know any good methods, and I tend to avoid GS like the plague because... well.. I suck with it!

I know Dave said (the site no longer says it) he used a certain MM of ship building pin (for model ships) to add in, and looking at said supply from what I can find online, they look perfect for the task!

However, I can no longer remember the pin's MM as the site changed the conversion kit due to the particular company Dave used no longer makes the MM he used.

So, my question is two fold... What MM would work best, and/or what are other methods you gents would recommend. I'll even try a GS one if I need to.

Warmaster Romulas · 01-30-2008

im gonna take a guess
since the greaves are barely a CM and you want multiple studs
i think maybe
.10 mm would be good
just a guess though

hairyyahoo · 01-30-2008

funily enough i was having a chat with the guy who inspired the studded pad on the latest SM frames. he was saying that all he did was carefully shave off all the full stops on the sprues that he had laying about and stick them on. it's fiddely but very cost effective.

Lord Commander Erus · 01-30-2008

And i'm assuming a to scale model shop that offers terrain, etc.. Would they have such?

I'd like for about 4-5 on each armor piece I stud.

@hairy: true, but ship builders pins won't cost much, and already have the round, smooth look I was going for. By the time you factor in the labor for cutting and shaving the stops off, the GS and the GS I will envitably waste smoothing them out, and the cost of bandaids/neosporiun for the cuts, it will come out to about the same.

you don't even want to see my fingertips after that dread!

hairyyahoo · 01-30-2008

well according to the bloke i talked to it was a really simple process that involved nothing but a knife and some glue, and a bit of patience...and a good deal of care with the knife

no green stuff in sight! he had a model in his case that recieved the treatment and you couldn't tell it from the moulded shoulder pad on the sprue.

Lord Commander Erus · 01-30-2008

I'll certainly keep it in mind, and when the time comes, try it out. But at this point, the tingly numbness in my fingers has me not liking my knife much.

Perturabo · 01-30-2008

Get a pin and some PVA glue, use the pin to put dots of glue where you want the studs. Let it dry and the add a bit more glue to ech stud and repeat till the stud is the desired size/height!

Works for me!

Lord Commander Erus · 01-30-2008

I'll keep that in mind then.. Simple and quick is best...

I don't know if you guys realize the scope of this.. But I have at least.... 120 + 16 +16 +14 + 10.... And scouts, so that is.... another 10... A grand total of 171 marines to build, convert, and paint...

So i'm looking for ways to expedite the process

Ides · 01-30-2008

In that case go for the glue, that way you can do the models in batches.

hairyyahoo · 01-30-2008

the thing i find witht he glue idea is that the initial blob spreads and flattens out a lot. pert might know a way to stop this but i lost patience with it.

Lord Commander Erus · 01-30-2008

Actually...

Add thirty to that, and a tech marine..

I forgot about the combinations in Imperial Armor Apoclypse... DAMN YOU MART007!!!!

Plus.. Due to Ancients Assault Force and Strike Eagle, the chapter will have FIVE dreads at a minimum... 3 furioso, two long range I believe.

Perturabo · 01-30-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairyyahoo

the thing i find witht he glue idea is that the initial blob spreads and flattens out a lot. pert might know a way to stop this but i lost patience with it.

Simple-let the glue start to dry a bit before you use itlet it form a skin then its ready to use.

Its a trial and error thing!

Nanolathe · 01-30-2008

I've also been told that washing up liquid (mixed in tiny amounts) will keep both paint and glue from 'Spreading'...

Or was that the other way around and it HELPS it spread?

hairyyahoo · 01-30-2008

think that was the other way round nano, washing up liquid breaks the surface tension allowing the fluid to spread more easily.

Nanolathe · 01-30-2008

Then what was it the helped paints and glue stop spreading?

hairyyahoo · 01-30-2008

stern words and an even sterner glare?

Perturabo · 01-30-2008

Your thinking of varish ike 'ard coat and purity seal I think

Nanolathe · 01-30-2008

Nope, there was definitely something you could add to paint to make it stay put... in fact... was it glue?

Lord Commander Erus · 02-01-2008

Well.. I'm soon to get my battle company and resin custodes... So we will see via experimentation!

I'll try one of each method, see what I like best!

Rhaalidor · 02-05-2008

Washing up liquid does indeed break the surface tension of white glue and water based paint, causing them to spread out. It's in the glycerin. I recommend very small escutcheon pins (if you can find them). They have hemi-spherical heads, unlike normal sewing pins. Ship pins, like sewing pins, are almost flat, and would take a lot of glue build-up to be presentable. 201 marines will not be easy. Find Someone with a LOT a RTB-01 Beakies, and go from there.

Lord Commander Erus · 02-05-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhaalidor

Washing up liquid does indeed break the surface tension of white glue and water based paint, causing them to spread out. It's in the glycerin. I recommend very small escutcheon pins (if you can find them). They have hemi-spherical heads, unlike normal sewing pins. Ship pins, like sewing pins, are almost flat, and would take a lot of glue build-up to be presentable. 201 marines will not be easy. Find Someone with a LOT a RTB-01 Beakies, and go from there.

Can you possibly link me to these guys?

The pins will be a constant on my Devestators and termies, ao about... 20 devs, 16 termies... 36 Marines... As little as possible fiddling with glue would be best.. And I knwo Dave told me it was ship building pins... Used on the old wooden ship kinds.. Blast it, where is that link...

check this stuff out and give me an opinion?

Rivets/Pins:
www.walthers.com -- search page

Drill bit to fit said rivets/pins:
www.walthers.com -- search page

The proper drill bit sizes are #67 for the smaller size is 300-152 and
#57 for the 300-153

Also... Anyone know how the HELL to make a MK 5 helmet?

Pic of the finished bit:

Again, not my own work, but I liked the look and it comes like 100-150 a pack, so I thought it was a handy solution!

Brother Warchild · 02-07-2008

Most def 3 bucks 4-150 beats the time you would spend making that many.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Pins/studding on power armor? Right, looking through the Dave Taylor custodes army, and i've decided to do some studding to my shoulder pads on my terminatos, and maybe some on their greaves, etc.. The problem is, I don't know any good methods, and I tend to avoid GS like the plague because... well.. I suck with it! I know Dave said (the site no longer says it) he used a certain MM of ship building pin (for model ships) to add in, and looking at said supply from what I can find online, they look perfect for the task! However, I can no longer remember the pin's MM as the site changed the conversion kit due to the particular company Dave used no longer makes the MM he used. So, my question is two fold... What MM would work best, and/or what are other methods you gents would recommend. I'll even try a GS one if I need to. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Warmaster Romulas Captain Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!!U-S-A!! Posts: 1,478 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 108 Thanked 75 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? im gonna take a guess since the greaves are barely a CM and you want multiple studs i think maybe .10 mm would be good just a guess though __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ""A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." Frederick Douglass To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. * new items added 4/6/08 * tomb king army up for trade

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? And i'm assuming a to scale model shop that offers terrain, etc.. Would they have such? I'd like for about 4-5 on each armor piece I stud. @hairy: true, but ship builders pins won't cost much, and already have the round, smooth look I was going for. By the time you factor in the labor for cutting and shaving the stops off, the GS and the GS I will envitably waste smoothing them out, and the cost of bandaids/neosporiun for the cuts, it will come out to about the same. you don't even want to see my fingertips after that dread! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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hairyyahoo On The Warpath! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: As a figment of my own deranged imagination, i don't actually exist anywhere. Or London, UK. Posts: 3,201 Rep Power: 5 Thanks: 178 Thanked 263 Times in 189 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? well according to the bloke i talked to it was a really simple process that involved nothing but a knife and some glue, and a bit of patience...and a good deal of care with the knife no green stuff in sight! he had a model in his case that recieved the treatment and you couldn't tell it from the moulded shoulder pad on the sprue.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? I'll certainly keep it in mind, and when the time comes, try it out. But at this point, the tingly numbness in my fingers has me not liking my knife much. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Perturabo Tyrant of Moray Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of Terror Posts: 1,273 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 19 Thanked 95 Times in 45 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? Get a pin and some PVA glue, use the pin to put dots of glue where you want the studs. Let it dry and the add a bit more glue to ech stud and repeat till the stud is the desired size/height! Works for me! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Experts in Siege Works....we also do Patios and Drives To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? I'll keep that in mind then.. Simple and quick is best... I don't know if you guys realize the scope of this.. But I have at least.... 120 + 16 +16 +14 + 10.... And scouts, so that is.... another 10... A grand total of 171 marines to build, convert, and paint... So i'm looking for ways to expedite the process __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? Actually... Add thirty to that, and a tech marine.. I forgot about the combinations in Imperial Armor Apoclypse... DAMN YOU MART007!!!! Plus.. Due to Ancients Assault Force and Strike Eagle, the chapter will have FIVE dreads at a minimum... 3 furioso, two long range I believe. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Nanolathe Corporal Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 298 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 60 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? I've also been told that washing up liquid (mixed in tiny amounts) will keep both paint and glue from 'Spreading'... Or was that the other way around and it HELPS it spread? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Nanolathe; 01-30-2008 at 11:54 AM.

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Nanolathe Corporal Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 298 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 60 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? Then what was it the helped paints and glue stop spreading? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Nanolathe Corporal Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 298 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 60 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? Nope, there was definitely something you could add to paint to make it stay put... in fact... was it glue? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Lord Commander Erus The Phoenician Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,324 Rep Power: 6 Thanks: 172 Thanked 316 Times in 217 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pins/studding on power armor? Well.. I'm soon to get my battle company and resin custodes... So we will see via experimentation! I'll try one of each method, see what I like best! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That which causes us trials shall yield us triumph, and that which makes our hearts ache shall fill us with gladness. For the only true happiness is to learn, to advance and to improve. None of this could happen without rejecting error, ignorance, and imperfection. We must pass out of the darkness to reach the light.' - The Primarch Fulgrim, Attainment of Perfection Tutorials: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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