Why don't DE use soul stones?

[Astrotrain]

Is it that they can't for some reason or choose not to?

[Imperial Commander Gent]

They choose not to from what I gather.

[Wakim]

They don`t have them. And there`s nobody to put them next to the others

Don`t forget soulstones are a craftworld invention, while Dark Eldar are what`s left of the regular eldar :P they don`t even use wraithbone.

Plus, in a soulstone your soul is trapped there for ever and ever (or until someone breaks it or puts it in some machinery). Whereas in the warp it gets the sweet relife of death :P most likely a painfull death if Slaanesh happens to be around but a death none the less.

[TerminatorinHell]

what happens if an eldar has his soul destroyed but given a stone with some one else's soul what'll happen?

[Wakim]

:/

You got it really really really wrong


If you get your soul destroy you`re dead.

As for soulstones, they can`t revive dead bodies :P

They can however control the wraith automatons that are specially designed to respond to psychic commands.

[TerminatorinHell]

ah k , i dont know much bout eldar as far as soulstones

[Drax]

IIRC - the soul stones are there for the craftworld eldar to trap their escaping souls at death so that they can be placed within the infinity circuits. that is a collection of all the Eldar souls for each craftworld. the exodites do something similar to this, however they eventually place the souls within the 'soul' of the planet they inhabit.

the reason they do this at all is because since the birth of Slaanesh which was caused by the Eldar in the first place - upon the death of an eldar their soul tries to enter the warp. such is the richness and strength of the eldar soul that unlike the human counterpart, their souls do not dissipate in the immeterium but rather are consumed by Slaanesh, not only making the god stronger but also causing the soul eternal torture.

the reason the Dark Eldar do not try to avoid this is because they relish the thought.

there was an excerpt in the 3rd ed codex that suggested that Eldrad sensed something stirring in the infinity circuits of Ulthwe and that he beleived that with the death of the last eldar a new god would be created that would be able to kill Slaanesh and thus save the souls of those already consumed from further torment

[Astrotrain]

Wait so when humans die they go into the warp?What happens to their souls?Where do they go?

[Wakim]

They other get blown to bits, disipate like dust in the wind, or get eaten by a dezident of the warp, the kind of thing you`d call a daemon or in case it`s really really strong, a god

[Baron Spikey]

apparently humans souls dont have the strength of will (or something similar) and dissipate into the warp- since the warp is a sea of emotion both good and bad it could be considered both Heaven and Hell, so i'm not sure if the dissipation thing is good or not.

Dark Eldar dont have soulstones but instead consume a sentient creature's soul or life essence (fluff on the subject was never really explicit on which) to prolong their own life to unnatural lengths. By that method they hope to stave off death permanently if possible, also as Slaanesh is constantly 'gnawing' away at a DE's soul I'm not sure if enough of the Eldar's soul would actually be present to make a Soulstone useful.

[Ides]

the liber chaotica says that very few souls have the strength of will to survive the event of death. More often than not, only the strongest emotions that a person felt in their lifetime will remain in their souls after death, and when they dissipate in the warp, those emotions will either be devoured or will join with other similarly strong emotions (which created the chaos gods, incidentally)...

[Wakim]

Which begs the question, is there a chaos god of bastardness?

[Four20edLogan]

Originally Posted by Wakim

Which begs the question, is there a chaos god of bastardness?

Totally

[Wakim]

Oh yeah, Malaal, was it?

But they lost rights for it and didn`t to the blizzard thing and just change a few letters and details and claim in their own

[BrainDeleted]

DE 'eat' souls to live forever. They can't make soulstones and I doubt they'd want to.


Life hard and hopefully long! Is pretty much their motto...As they delve in EVER form of debauchery and pleasure/pain imaginable. They are just like pre-fall Eldar pleasure cults...in fact some of the Kabals got their start BEFORE the fall, amazingly enough.'


The leader of the biggest Kabal lived during the fall (Names escape me at the moment) And he lived that long off countless souls, both Eldar, human, and hell anything he finds. Some DE have even developed tastes for their souls...some like them filled with fear, some sexual desire, some pain...All twisted and scary-like almost Vampires.

Thats why DE take prisoners...to feed their lust for life.

[Wakim]

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[BrainDeleted]

I was just too lazy to look that up

But the concepts are definitely in my head.

[Night Shadow]

So wait, a human soul in the 40k universe, when that person dies, there soul goes to the warp and dissipates in the warp, and all that is left is there emotion which joins with other emotions.....So there soul is not like Horus which is oblitereted from exsistence? So part of that human still exsist somewhere in the warp. Also I am not trying to bring in reality to 40k, but what about God, is there a heaven in 40k? Any hints of this? Is the warp hell in a sense?

[Drax]

first off you really shouldn't try to apply reason to this - but the way it is supposed to work is that the 'soul' is the collected emotions of a person - if that person chooses the path of darkness it is negative emotions if you choose the path of good, then it is positive emotions.

either way, the warp is just a swirling mass - yes a persons soul is technically a small part, but it is just so insignificant that it is indistinguishable from the rest.

Horus was a totally different kettle of fish - i shall let someone else take that one on as i haven't the time at present

[Wakim]

Ok, here`s the deal.

There is no heave and hell and someone that decides who goes where.

It`s just you and your "soul" or "spirit" It`s part of you as much as your hand or heart :P But on a whole other level. And in most cases it`s in complete contact with the warp.

Now, in the warp, you`re like a spec of dust. The only way to catch someone`s attention is by either A - calling for them (chaos worshiping and such) or B - being really really really strong (a la psykers). but actually calling for someone or doing something special is the best way to get attention.

You see, it`s a lot more like the american indian religion.

You live your life, you do your part, you die, you become one with nature`s spirit

Only that in 40k you can get eaten by various things :P since nature`s spirit isn`t the only big spirit out there.

PS The emperor is SO strong he`s soul shines like a star in the warp and imperial ships you it as a guide.

[Night Shadow]

So if your human and your GOOD, the only protection you really have in the warp is to head for the Emperor. So eldar souls for instance that get eaten by Slannnesh, don't get erased from existence but instead are in eternal tourcher until Slannesh is destroyed?

[Wakim]

Only because Slaanesh makes it that way :P

[Night Shadow]

So the Tau have no warp presence from what I am told so do they have a soul or no? Also what about the Orks, Gork and Mork? I mean Necrons are pretty easy to figure out, there souls trapped in there metal bodies etc...

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

Ah...the immaterium. Logicians across the Imperium regularly strive to describe it. It's seen differently by different psykers, and to the naked eye looks like a storming sea of horrific light...you would go insane is you looked directly into it.

As Drax said, most souls dissipate. Either they are consumed, or they become one with a collection of like souls (Chaos Gods). The Emperor and his sons, however, are different.

Arguably, they shine brighter in the warp than any other creature, attracting a hell of a lot of attention (Horus Heresy, anyone?). Indeed, one of the theories about the Emperor goes like this:-

On Ancient Terra, before civilisation, human cultures were ruled by shamans and holy men who, basically, were early psykers. The warp was calm in those times. Their souls were such that they could survive as an individual in the warp, and be reborn, but as the raw emotions of the various races began to register in the warp, it became difficult to do this. The first Chaos Gods and daemons were formed, and these consumed the souls of the dead. As more and more of the psykers were lost in the warp to these, or caught up in the increasingly strong tides, they decided to convene a meeting. They agreed to ritual suicide, so that they may unite their souls in the warp and be born as one mighty being. Soon after this event, the Emperor was born.

So you see, the Emperor may be the amalgamation of many, many powerful souls. He is also known as the Star God, possibly due to this. His soul shines brightest, and it is theorised that only he is powerful enough to destroy a Chaos God, and that brings us on to the intentions of several factions in the Inquisition to kill him and set his soul free, but I'm getting off topic, so I'll leave it there.

The Primarchs are literally extensions of the Emperor. Each one has a sizeable fraction of his power, but none come close to him. The Emperor destroyed Horus soul, and thus he CANNOT continue to exist in the warp as ANYTHING. However, the other Primarchs may be powerful enough to survive as individuals, but it's never been touched on to be honest. The old fluff guru's may know a thing or two about it.

[Night Shadow]

Originally Posted by Icarus Athrasuriel

Ah...the immaterium. Logicians across the Imperium regularly strive to describe it. It's seen differently by different psykers, and to the naked eye looks like a storming sea of horrific light...you would go insane is you looked directly into it.

As Drax said, most souls dissipate. Either they are consumed, or they become one with a collection of like souls (Chaos Gods). The Emperor and his sons, however, are different.

Arguably, they shine brighter in the warp than any other creature, attracting a hell of a lot of attention (Horus Heresy, anyone?). Indeed, one of the theories about the Emperor goes like this:-

On Ancient Terra, before civilisation, human cultures were ruled by shamans and holy men who, basically, were early psykers. The warp was calm in those times. Their souls were such that they could survive as an individual in the warp, and be reborn, but as the raw emotions of the various races began to register in the warp, it became difficult to do this. The first Chaos Gods and daemons were formed, and these consumed the souls of the dead. As more and more of the psykers were lost in the warp to these, or caught up in the increasingly strong tides, they decided to convene a meeting. They agreed to ritual suicide, so that they may unite their souls in the warp and be born as one mighty being. Soon after this event, the Emperor was born.

So you see, the Emperor may be the amalgamation of many, many powerful souls. He is also known as the Star God, possibly due to this. His soul shines brightest, and it is theorised that only he is powerful enough to destroy a Chaos God, and that brings us on to the intentions of several factions in the Inquisition to kill him and set his soul free, but I'm getting off topic, so I'll leave it there.

The Primarchs are literally extensions of the Emperor. Each one has a sizeable fraction of his power, but none come close to him. The Emperor destroyed Horus soul, and thus he CANNOT continue to exist in the warp as ANYTHING. However, the other Primarchs may be powerful enough to survive as individuals, but it's never been touched on to be honest. The old fluff guru's may know a thing or two about it.

Emperor sons, by that you mean Primarchs and Marines? What about normal people just dissipate become the warp and not go to the Emperor at all? Or IG or any high ups?