DOW 2 comming.....

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

These last two intros to DoW have been let downs, and justs make the original look even cooler. If DoW2 has a linear campaign instead of a metamap campaign, I'll be one very happy man.

Not sure why you'd want fewer races, but I could really go for more effort put into balancing the races.(Necron nurf!)

It`s about being realistic

Quality over quantity.

Look at blizzard :P

I know people don`t like some aspects of their game, neither do i, but what they set out to do, they achive completely.

they never had more than 4 armies in an RTS and even their MMO has just SEVEN classes (which are never ballanced properly either, but they work on them a LOT).


Plus, the more you have the less it feels special.

People still talk about how diverse the armies in starcraft were, even if there are just a few differences :P the impact was great. if they added one or two more, they`d start looking the same.

For example in DoW people look at marines + chaos + sisters, eldar + eldar + dark eldar + tau as being the same, with necron and ork being a little different. Arguebly you could fling orks in there with eldar/ig and necrons in the marine camp.

Why? one cap relies on a tougher few and the other on the weaker many. and ALL of them are primarly shooty armies.

There is no 'zerg' that could try and win fast in meelee. The closest thing to a zerg are the dark eldar. but they look and feel just like eldar.

Now, another thing they need and that`s easier achived for only a few armies: sound, speech, noise, effects, everything. Sound plays a great part in the experience but most developers forget about that detail.

To this day i can still hear the SC Zealot say "Entaro Adun" or the orc say Zug-Zug or the WBC Goblin Shaman gloat and threaten or the Sacrifice fireling say "fire, haha, fire, fffffffiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrree" so gleefuly or Serious Sam or Duke Nukem bad mouthing the hordes of enemies or the bone chilling howls of the.... howlers (bland but extremely apropiate name right there) or the sound marines make when they die or when you use their ability and....

Well, you get the point there :P

A games being good in it`s genre isn`t enough, it must also be a great experience overall since games are supposed to be entertainment.


Final reasons for less armies:

More time to work on the campaign for just 3-4 armies, more time to make all of `em feel right and different at the same time and last but not least, more time to work on ballance.


I mean, ignore blizzard and look at FPS or anything else, the one that looks, sounds and feels the best gets the biggest croud not the one that brings new features or deep, meaningful story or great variaty and so on. Just look how loved the HALO story is, though chapter by chapter it doesn`t make too much sense it`s the thrill people get while playing it and the awe a few well placed scenes inspire that make them simply love it.


Oh, almost forgot, RELIC, GIVE THE PEOPLE A SCENARIO EDITOR, IT WILL HELP YOU A WHOLE FRIGGIN LOT!!!

[Zeb[edee]]

I agree completely. Quality over Quantity. And denounce the evils of World of Wacraft.

If you don't I shall ram Erus' stick a place it should never go...

If they do go for lots of armies, get the Nids in there BEFORE sisters of battle please...

Main Armies before smaller armies. Even a three year old knows that.

[Templar Mikeel]

Originally Posted by Wakim

It`s about being realistic

Quality over quantity.

Look at blizzard :P

I know people don`t like some aspects of their game, neither do i, but what they set out to do, they achive completely.

they never had more than 4 armies in an RTS and even their MMO has just SEVEN classes (which are never ballanced properly either, but they work on them a LOT).


Plus, the more you have the less it feels special.

People still talk about how diverse the armies in starcraft were, even if there are just a few differences :P the impact was great. if they added one or two more, they`d start looking the same.

For example in DoW people look at marines + chaos + sisters, eldar + eldar + dark eldar + tau as being the same, with necron and ork being a little different. Arguebly you could fling orks in there with eldar/ig and necrons in the marine camp.

Why? one cap relies on a tougher few and the other on the weaker many. and ALL of them are primarly shooty armies.

There is no 'zerg' that could try and win fast in meelee. The closest thing to a zerg are the dark eldar. but they look and feel just like eldar.

Now, another thing they need and that`s easier achived for only a few armies: sound, speech, noise, effects, everything. Sound plays a great part in the experience but most developers forget about that detail.

To this day i can still hear the SC Zealot say "Entaro Adun" or the orc say Zug-Zug or the WBC Goblin Shaman gloat and threaten or the Sacrifice fireling say "fire, haha, fire, fffffffiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrree" so gleefuly or Serious Sam or Duke Nukem bad mouthing the hordes of enemies or the bone chilling howls of the.... howlers (bland but extremely apropiate name right there) or the sound marines make when they die or when you use their ability and....

Well, you get the point there :P

A games being good in it`s genre isn`t enough, it must also be a great experience overall since games are supposed to be entertainment.


Final reasons for less armies:

More time to work on the campaign for just 3-4 armies, more time to make all of `em feel right and different at the same time and last but not least, more time to work on ballance.


I mean, ignore blizzard and look at FPS or anything else, the one that looks, sounds and feels the best gets the biggest croud not the one that brings new features or deep, meaningful story or great variaty and so on. Just look how loved the HALO story is, though chapter by chapter it doesn`t make too much sense it`s the thrill people get while playing it and the awe a few well placed scenes inspire that make them simply love it.


Oh, almost forgot, RELIC, GIVE THE PEOPLE A SCENARIO EDITOR, IT WILL HELP YOU A WHOLE FRIGGIN LOT!!!

I agree with you on most points, Wakim. Relic spent very little time on the sounds for DoW, and the storyline for DC and SS were, if existent at all, dismal. Probably the result of a shallow attempt at having a balanced campaign that featured as many races as possible. I'm fine with a lot of races, but it sure would be nice if Relic/Ironlore spent a little more time and effort into balancing, features, sound, units, textures etc. for each race. Sure, I know it takes a lot of work to get anything worthwhile in game, but I'm sure we'd all be willing to wait over a year for a good 40K RTS instead of waiting a year for a crappy DoW game.

[TemplarMarshal]

since its not an xpac wouldent dark crusade be considered dawn of war 2 and soulstorm dawn of war 3. also the trailer said winter 2007 so shouldent it be out now. i think you have all been tricked or they changed the name to something else.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

couldnt the advert just be a teaser for the new expansion? i know its a marine in the sillouhette, and not a SoB or DE but i think its a bit too early to be teasing us about DoW2

[TemplarMarshal]

an expansion game requires something to expand and dawn of war dark crusade and soul storm do not they are seperate stand alone games and like i said the trailer said winter of 2007 which has come and gone and also why would they relese this so called dawn of war 2 right before soulstorm. i think as i said you have all been feed eronious data.

[themandalorian]

Once i get my new PC, that CAN run games made after 2000, i'll be happy

I haven't even played the 1st Dawn of war, want to really bad though

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by TemplarMarshal

an expansion game requires something to expand and dawn of war dark crusade and soul storm do not they are seperate stand alone games

No.... you`re not right there, at least the industry for the past 10-20 years doesn`t agree with you


As long as it`s on the exact same engine, it`s an expansion pack

A LOT of games had stand alone expansions

[TemplarMarshal]

the industry has gone retarded on me. the very meaning of expansion is to expand.

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by TemplarMarshal

the industry has gone retarded on me. the very meaning of expansion is to expand.

And that`s exactly what they do


Only not in the way you seem to want them to.

[TemplarMarshal]

meh whatever then.

[Baron Spikey]

In this instant I can see both of the points of view on this 'Expansion' argument.

Dark Crusade and Soul Storm can both be played on their own, but to get the best out of both games you need the original to unlock extra races for multi player. They ARE expansion packs, but in the same instance you could say they are short spin offs of the original game.

The 'sneak peak' at DOW 2 doesn't mean its coming out soon, it just means the magazine have gotten info that it is coming out- look at how many previews there are/were early last year to GTA4 and that still doesn't come out till April in the UK (yet you were able to pre-order at HMV from October).

[Templar Mikeel]

Originally Posted by TemplarMarshal

since its not an xpac wouldent dark crusade be considered dawn of war 2 and soulstorm dawn of war 3. also the trailer said winter 2007 so shouldent it be out now. i think you have all been tricked or they changed the name to something else.

Not really. DoW2 will follow the story line of Gabriel Angelos and his Blood Ravens. In essence, it's the sequel to DoW, while WA, DC, and SS are expansion packs.

[Wakim]

Originally Posted by Templar Mikeel

Not really. DoW2 will follow the story line of Gabriel Angelos and his Blood Ravens. In essence, it's the sequel to DoW, while WA, DC, and SS are expansion packs.

and it will have a new engine

That`s why we only have Total War 1 and 2 not 20

And Serios Sam, the Second Encounter is an expansion while Serious Sam 2 is a sequel.

As for the fact that some expansions changed a set of rules in the game... i`ve played games that changed completely just by ticking on or off a few options in the multi/skirmish meniu

Or by playing with user maps (one of the only 3 things i like about blizzard rts )


So... Yes, Dark Crusade is more or less different than DoW vannila, Yes you can play it eventhough you don`t have DoW V, BUT it has the same engine so it`s considered an expansion.

You also need the other games to use the other armies online.

Consider their stand alone nature one of Relics best gifts

[TerminatorinHell]

i luff space marines so im cool if its them and a few other races im sure they will make expacks for more but IM AM FREAKING OUT when is it coming????? god i need it soulstorm was sh**

[Wakim]

SOONtm


Seriously, it`s just a teaser to a preview, the game might be years from being done, kinda like Mythic announced WAR seemingly ages ago